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Old Apr 18, 2014, 10:03 PM
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Very true, but it may end up that Bob in fact has a decent setup.

Seems to run well enough in a Reverb anyway, might give some of the tried and tested X-plane setups a run for the money..
They do seem like good motors, some people have done some impressive things with them. I certainly dont think they will be replacing the high end motor manufacturers though

Anyway... The X-plane is basically an Avionik D05/6 pylon racer, with extended fuselage moments for a reason : To be an F5D sized model that can take F5B style geared hotliner power systems.

All the mad thrust motors seem to have 4mm shafts so arent easy to bolt gearboxes too.
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Old Apr 18, 2014, 10:10 PM
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Was flicking through some old 'tube videos I bookmarked.
This one sure is worth mentioning. Where are you, Don?
http://youtu.be/oXW3m4qDrcM
Badass flying, cool perspectibe, terrible editing
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 04:42 AM
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You are taking this far to personally BouncingBob, in no way have I made it a personal attack against you. I was simply saying that you have selected some parts to build an Xplane that are subpar. Many would even consider your setup to be dangerous.

I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else criticising anything I do, Its how myself (and others learn) and how we end up with better flying, safer, setups. Half of what I know is from doing dumb shizzle and then being pointed in the right direction!

X-plane deserves good gear, or your wasting the airframe.
After years of trying the less costly stuff .......... you realize that you have spent more cabbage than if you purchased the high quality stuff in the first place.

Maybe someone somewhere has had great success with HK15322's .......... but there are too many dudes from my old LHS that tried them and ended up purchasing a new plane and all new gear due to no response from a 15322 in the air, then the ensueing crash ........... even though a ground test was good


Wisdom; its what you get when you didnt use it in the first place, so long as you are willing to see reality.
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 07:45 AM
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You are taking this far to personally BouncingBob, in no way have I made it a personal attack against you. I was simply saying that you have selected some parts to build an Xplane that are subpar. Many would even consider your setup to be dangerous.

To be more specific -

-Those HK 90/100 escs are heaps that pop when you look at them funny. They also are no good at high electrical rpm. Been there tried that.

- HK 15322's do not belong in an X plane. Its a very fast airframe capable of killing someone if it gets out of control, and there are lots of opportunities to achieve this, why add another? If theres anywhere to skimp, its not on servos.

- Orange Rx Clone receiver....

I have absolutely no problem with you or anyone else criticising anything I do, Its how myself (and others learn) and how we end up with better flying, safer, setups. Half of what I know is from doing dumb shizzle and then being pointed in the right direction!

X-plane deserves good gear, or your wasting the airframe.
I agree 100% about the safety/dangerous or killing someone aspect. This is not a park flyer foamie. If it were ....skimping on the gear with hobbyking crap and orange clones is ok. If you lose control 9 times outta 10 your not 500feet or more and racing around 170mph like a composite ship so that's ok in my book.

Now with high performance, one servo goes wrong, and there's 5 servos on board ....you could have a nightmare on your hands in a heartbeat. Not something I want to skimp out on servos. If that x-plane comes servo loose and a servo horn fails and people are around, you might hit someone or blast through a house and kill someone. Now your sued for life. Safety is what it's all about using top notch gear.

Just saying. You could hit yourself as well!

I don't even skimp on my funjet ultra. I might not buy mega or NEU but I'll use my medusa or HET.
Servos I don't use cheap either, and basically the motor will never make you crash , it's really servos.

I gotta bring up another thing that's eating my brain, my god son!! A orange clone!! The genuine spektrum long range rx's have a tough time getting through carbon fiber. I would absolutely never cheap out on a receiver when it comes to a spread toe carbon ship. Carbon fiber does NOT agree with 2.4ghz!!!
Using a not so long range cheezy orange reciever ....I mean you might as well turn your radio off as it leaves your hands. Now that's dangerous!! Better buy a carbon receiver with the whiskers.
That's worse than cheap servos. Asking for a blackout/brownout for sure.
Casey
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 09:35 AM
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Can I jump on the bandwagon? .. oops, wrong bus!

I like the HK15322s! Have been replacing my D60s with them. So far have them in a Plasma II, Jolt, and Sunracer and they are performing wonderfully. I may not have the skills and fine dexterity of other flyers but I been doing this since the 60's and have many thousands of hours in fighters (the avatar is me flying) in my other career and ... for me they work.
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 10:58 AM
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I agree= safety NR1, BUT I can not agree to: More expensive=safer.... sorry.. , It should be that more expensive will last longer and be safer but sometimes the cheaper servos/esc last longer then the 2-3 times more expensive brand..

Servos for me who have been best is Hitec by far...
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 01:47 PM
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Well I just placed an order with mark at dinogy for my hv formula 2x4s 2200 but I also ordered a 6s 1300 dominator pack which looks like it'll fit right into the X I'll let yall know how that works out just for s*#t $ and giggles like 5S isn't enough already
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 02:22 PM
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I agree= safety NR1, BUT I can not agree to: More expensive=safer.... sorry.. , It should be that more expensive will last longer and be safer but sometimes the cheaper servos/esc last longer then the 2-3 times more expensive brand..

Servos for me who have been best is Hitec by far...
Yeah I've always like Hitec's, pity their HS125's and 5125's are poor though. They need to come up with some better wing servo's which are a little smaller IMO.

Y'know I'd love to have had the confidence in buying some cheaper servo's than I did to reduce costs. But I didn't because if they had failed I would have been really at myself.

I know this wouldn't appeal to most, but some alternate servo covers which would allow a thicker servo to be installed might be an idea? Just a thought....
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 02:33 PM
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I know this wouldn't appeal to most, but some alternate servo covers which would allow a thicker servo to be installed might be an idea? Just a thought....
you got it
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Old Apr 19, 2014, 02:49 PM
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The main reason to take carbon for HP planes is the option to get slim and thin wings stiff.

A clean surface F5d fiberwing could be built at almost the same stiffness if it was designed 2or3mm thicker.
Pretty sure it would not perform worse than a thin 4 flap wing with 4 mighty 3mm servocovers.
A 10,5mm servo is waste of performance anyway ,no matter if its cheap or expensive...

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Old Apr 19, 2014, 05:56 PM
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The main reason to take carbon for HP planes is the option to get slim and thin wings stiff.

A clean surface F5d fiberwing could be built at almost the same stiffness if it was designed 2or3mm thicker.
Pretty sure it would not perform worse than a thin 4 flap wing with 4 mighty 3mm servocovers.
A 10,5mm servo is waste of performance anyway ,no matter if its cheap or expensive...

Yello
For sport flying, would having 4 covers that are raised a little more really make that much difference? It doesn't matter to me anyway, mine's done .
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Old Apr 20, 2014, 03:32 AM
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feefo, dont go into argument with yello about this subject, he has proof raised servocovers of 2mm could slow down plane by 0.46 mph.

Just teasing you Yello, dont get mad
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Old Apr 20, 2014, 03:42 AM
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feefo, dont go into argument with yello about this subject, he has proof raised servocovers of 2mm could slow down plane by 0.46 mph.

This is about the correct number...right before stall

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Old Apr 20, 2014, 03:57 AM
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feefo, dont go into argument with yello about this subject, he has proof raised servocovers of 2mm could slow down plane by 0.46 mph.

Just teasing you Yello, dont get mad
I'm sure it does make a difference, and if I was competing I'd want a wing as clean as possible, but for sport flying are the losses acceptable? Anyway like I said, mines done and the head scratching I did is over for now....
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Old Apr 20, 2014, 04:08 AM
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Maybe the best option is to start with an AT40 and start sanding the wing down?
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