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Old Jan 07, 2014, 01:14 PM
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Quad build help for FPV

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I wanted to ask, what frame you would recommend best for FPV, aerial photography?

And what you would say about this setup? Maybe i should change something?

KK 2.1 control board
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...mel_644PA.html

ESC - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...202&aff=398199

Motors - http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...247&aff=398199

Battery - http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...dProduct=10383

Props - 10x4,7 http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...on_Black_.html

11x4,7 http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...7SF_4_pc_.html
http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...ion_4_pc_.html
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Old Jan 07, 2014, 04:27 PM
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Forgot to mention, that i am planning to take up pretty heavy camera (200gr).
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Old Jan 08, 2014, 01:59 AM
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My parts came from Hobbyking UK warehouse, you pay a slight premium for using the UK warehouse although it is not enough to worry about. The KK2.1 is only available from the International warehouse at the time of writing.

Motors
NTM Prop Drive Series 28-26A 1200kv / 250w (short shaft version) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...84&aff=1174941

Motor Mount
NTM Prop Drive 28 Series Accessory Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...19&aff=1174941

Flight Controller
KK2.1 http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...54&aff=1174941

ESC (speed controllers)
Hobby King 30A ESC 3A UBEC http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...54&aff=1174941

Props (you need 2 right hand rotation and 2 left hand rotation for a Quadcopter)
Slow Fly Electric Prop 1045R SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...49&aff=1174941
Slow Fly Electric Prop 1045SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...42&aff=1174941

my preferred props are the 8″
Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...34&aff=1174941
Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...35&aff=1174941

Battery
Turnigy 3300mAh 3S 30C Lipo Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...00&aff=1174941

Frame
Q450 Glass Fiber Quadcopter Frame 450mm http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...27&aff=1174941

I bought 6 motors, mounts and ESCís. The motor mounts sometimes are out of balance, having a couple spare doesnít hurt. Having a couple of spare motors and ESCís doesnít hurt one bit.

You will also need the following

Male to male servo wires (used to connect the receiver to the KK2) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...147&aff=117494
Bullet connectors (3.5mm) to connect the ESC to the motor (3 per ESC) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...28&aff=1174941
Male battery connector (this will depend on your battery connector type), leads with power are always female. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...77&aff=1174941
Silicon wire AWG12 (to solder to the battery connector which is then soldered to the frame)
Hex Screw M3x12 screws (to fix the motors to the frame, the supplied ones are not strong enough) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...94&aff=1174941

Things you may want

A prop balancer, out of balanced props cause havok with multi-rotors and will most certainly effect the quality of the video.
5.6mm x 10mm M3 Nylon Tapped Spacer http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...70&aff=1174941
M3x8 Nylon Screws (for fixing the KK2) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...81&aff=1174941
Battery strap http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...74&aff=1174941
Velcro (for sticking to the battery to hold it in place Ė in addition to the battery strap) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...04&aff=1174941

For the best performance the KK2 should be flashed with the latest firmware and the ESCís flashed with SimonK firmware. This allows the KK2 to give you the best response and self-levelling and the ESCs to perform to their best ability. The difference is really noticeable. It does require the purchase of a USB tool however the cost is far outweighed by the different in the performance of the Quadcopter.
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Old Jan 08, 2014, 10:28 AM
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What ESCs you would recommend without flashing myself? One of these will be ok?

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...Firmware_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...364&aff=171252

So i need USB tool for KK2?
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Old Jan 10, 2014, 05:25 AM
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What control board you would recommend instead of KK 2.1?
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Old Jan 10, 2014, 05:35 AM
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What ESCs you would recommend without flashing myself? One of these will be ok?

http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store...Firmware_.html

http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...364&aff=171252

So i need USB tool for KK2?
The afro ones are really good, or you can buy the RCMan Child ones which are meant to be really high quality

http://rcmanchild.com/escs.html

You may find it easier to buy a KK2 already flashed on ebay etc.. saves having to buy the tool and mess around with flashing it yourself.
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What control board you would recommend instead of KK 2.1?
It depends on budget and tech level.

The Naza is expensive but more or less plug and play (although you must follow the instructions of you end up with a fly away)

The MultiWii offers a lot of functionality but requires more tech to get setup correctly.
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It depends on budget and tech level.

The Naza is expensive but more or less plug and play (although you must follow the instructions of you end up with a fly away)

The MultiWii offers a lot of functionality but requires more tech to get setup correctly.
What you would say about - AIOP V2.0 ALL IN ONE PRO Flight Controller ?
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Old Jan 12, 2014, 07:28 PM
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good board, steep learning curve to get it going, runs miltiwii or megapiratsng, both are not plug and play systems,
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Old Jan 13, 2014, 02:07 PM
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My parts came from Hobbyking UK warehouse, you pay a slight premium for using the UK warehouse although it is not enough to worry about. The KK2.1 is only available from the International warehouse at the time of writing.



Motors

NTM Prop Drive Series 28-26A 1200kv / 250w (short shaft version) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...84&aff=1174941



Motor Mount

NTM Prop Drive 28 Series Accessory Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...19&aff=1174941



Flight Controller

KK2.1 http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...54&aff=1174941



ESC (speed controllers)

Hobby King 30A ESC 3A UBEC http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...54&aff=1174941



Props (you need 2 right hand rotation and 2 left hand rotation for a Quadcopter)

Slow Fly Electric Prop 1045R SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...49&aff=1174941

Slow Fly Electric Prop 1045SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...42&aff=1174941



my preferred props are the 8″

Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...34&aff=1174941

Slow Fly Electric Prop 8045R SF http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...35&aff=1174941



Battery

Turnigy 3300mAh 3S 30C Lipo Pack http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...00&aff=1174941



Frame

Q450 Glass Fiber Quadcopter Frame 450mm http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...27&aff=1174941



I bought 6 motors, mounts and ESCís. The motor mounts sometimes are out of balance, having a couple spare doesnít hurt. Having a couple of spare motors and ESCís doesnít hurt one bit.



You will also need the following



Male to male servo wires (used to connect the receiver to the KK2) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...147&aff=117494

Bullet connectors (3.5mm) to connect the ESC to the motor (3 per ESC) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...28&aff=1174941

Male battery connector (this will depend on your battery connector type), leads with power are always female. http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...77&aff=1174941

Silicon wire AWG12 (to solder to the battery connector which is then soldered to the frame)

Hex Screw M3x12 screws (to fix the motors to the frame, the supplied ones are not strong enough) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...94&aff=1174941



Things you may want



A prop balancer, out of balanced props cause havok with multi-rotors and will most certainly effect the quality of the video.

5.6mm x 10mm M3 Nylon Tapped Spacer http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...70&aff=1174941

M3x8 Nylon Screws (for fixing the KK2) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...81&aff=1174941

Battery strap http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...74&aff=1174941

Velcro (for sticking to the battery to hold it in place Ė in addition to the battery strap) http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/s...04&aff=1174941



For the best performance the KK2 should be flashed with the latest firmware and the ESCís flashed with SimonK firmware. This allows the KK2 to give you the best response and self-levelling and the ESCs to perform to their best ability. The difference is really noticeable. It does require the purchase of a USB tool however the cost is far outweighed by the different in the performance of the Quadcopter.

I have the same motors and esc's and ive found that 9x5 inch graupner props are really great but im not sure if they can take 10 inch props for too long. If, make sure you use 4s when flying with 10 inch props with those motors.
You learn the best from experience so try it out yourself
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I have the same motors and esc's and ive found that 9x5 inch graupner props are really great but im not sure if they can take 10 inch props for too long. If, make sure you use 4s when flying with 10 inch props with those motors.
You learn the best from experience so try it out yourself
I ran 10" props for quite a while with no problems at all, temp etc.. was all OK and I tested the current load. What problems did you see?

I moved to 8's and have not gone back. I like the way it handles with 8's. I am looking at the graupner's after my HK props shattered mid air on Sunday due to the cold

I found it with one motor buried about 2" in the ground Took me a while to get it out lol
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1200kv + 8" props on a 4cell battery is a great combo.

Multiwii has been better for me than kk2, smoother. And I like how easy it is to change code and muck around with things.

Witespy flip 1.5 is a good starting point for Multiwii.
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I ran 10" props for quite a while with no problems at all, temp etc.. was all OK and I tested the current load. What problems did you see?



I moved to 8's and have not gone back. I like the way it handles with 8's. I am looking at the graupner's after my HK props shattered mid air on Sunday due to the cold



I found it with one motor buried about 2" in the ground Took me a while to get it out lol

Im running 9 inch props on 3s and the motors dont even get warm. Im considering upgrading to some 10 inch props. Like i said, i read about it that people were over loading the motors with 10 inch and that they would get burn outs (burn out the motors). A quick look inside with a soldering iron should fix that ?
I would suggest them with 9 inch props as you get a tiny bit more efficiency and enough power!
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I have to be honest I didn't see any problems with heat etc.. but everyone's mileage can vary.

I have rebuilt my quad with 9", I get really good flight times with the 8's so will be good to see how the 9's work out.
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