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Old Jan 24, 2015, 08:23 AM
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Hi,
pilots,

our Slick is really one nice plane.
I am in 3D many, many years, have had several top 3D models,
Sebarts, also 130 cm Stefan Wurm MX-2, with my modifications...
BUT
I never have had a plane which costs 120 EURO (delivered to my door) and have so excellent flying characteristics.
Building is light, precise...
Ok, covering is not Oracover, needs from time to time ironing, but nice design and also good quality covering material.
Set up is simple, on 4S, with 3548 sized brushless (800 or 900 kv) plenty of power...

Today I tested elevator in wind 8m/sec:
unbelievable, better than Sebart Sebach 30, good as top MX-2...
About hovering, harrier, torques, knife, etc etc, I will not talk at all.
All manouvers are CLEAN and precise!
And yes, I have a little bigger rudder.,

So, satisfaction guaranteed for 120 EUROS.


Enjoy.
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 09:14 AM
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ptg , that rudder looks way to big...coool

Have never reinforced any areas on mine, plane is strong enough.
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 10:39 AM
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ptg , that rudder looks way to big...coool

Have never reinforced any areas on mine, plane is strong enough.
Elevator is now perfect for hard 3D and for sweeping the runway

Carbon reinforced is just for case..., because I mostly land with elevator direct in front of my legs.
Also, we have sandy runway, which is after rain very soft.
Sh.. happens...
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 10:48 AM
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No duhh you added extra holes. But that isn't ALL you did as shown in your next post. You also reinforced the plate with what looks like carbon fiber (shown in your next post). The stock plate would not be strong enough on the outer edges to support the torque on the outer holes. It would have twisted and broke the plate on the first landing. So you gave incomplete and and therefor BAD advice. Doing what you said would have resulted in someone not as experienced breaking their plane.





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Are you joking?
Ok, whatever,
Use original hole and drill another hole...
Or just change the hobby , it is much easier.
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 11:00 AM
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Hi,
pilots,

our Slick is really one nice plane.
I am in 3D many, many years, have had several top 3D models,
Sebarts, also 130 cm Stefan Wurm MX-2, with my modifications...


Enjoy.
When I built mine it had a cardboard cut out for shipping in the cowl. It was cut from a model box that I assume didn't get used. Had a photo of a Sebart Biplane. My assumption is this plane is manufactured by the same company that builds for Sebart.
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 11:12 AM
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No duhh you added extra holes. But that isn't ALL you did as shown in your next post. You also reinforced the plate with what looks like carbon fiber (shown in your next post). The stock plate would not be strong enough on the outer edges to support the torque on the outer holes. It would have twisted and broke the plate on the first landing. So you gave incomplete and and therefor BAD advice. Doing what you said would have resulted in someone not as experienced breaking their plane.
Creapyd,
my reinforcing has NO connection with mounting new landing gear.
For normal landing is the stock SLICK plate strong enough. For our sandy runway is reinforcing just for safety. No matter if you have original landing gear or my, which is in two pieces.

Free advice: buy original landing gear and everything will be ok.
For fine upgrades you need a little feeling, experience...
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 03:37 PM
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Hi,
pilots,

our Slick is really one nice plane.
I am in 3D many, many years, have had several top 3D models,
Sebarts, also 130 cm Stefan Wurm MX-2, with my modifications...
BUT
I never have had a plane which costs 120 EURO (delivered to my door) and have so excellent flying characteristics.
Building is light, precise...
Ok, covering is not Oracover, needs from time to time ironing, but nice design and also good quality covering material.
Set up is simple, on 4S, with 3548 sized brushless (800 or 900 kv) plenty of power...

Today I tested elevator in wind 8m/sec:
unbelievable, better than Sebart Sebach 30, good as top MX-2...
About hovering, harrier, torques, knife, etc etc, I will not talk at all.
All manouvers are CLEAN and precise!
And yes, I have a little bigger rudder.,

So, satisfaction guaranteed for 120 EUROS.


Enjoy.
Hi ptg,

I saw that you are using a folding prop. What is its size and why do you prefer folding prop? I have never seen these props on any 3d/aerobatic plane.
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 04:07 PM
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Hi Mustaine,
I have already explained why I fly with folding props as follows:
" I have tested several prop systems.
Folding prop system is for my taste better.
Entire system is lighter, excellent efficiency, you can use various yokes, no vibrations, big choice of various sizes and producers, You can adapt the set up to your needs...
For RC geeks excellent way for wasting time with neverending testing "

Prop must be hard tightened (but not too hard).
No worries, centrifugal force put it in proper position.
On this model I have HM Klemm spinner 47 mm and 50 mm yoke.
Last test was with my custom tuned Aeronaut prop 14x6, which I modified to 13,2 x 6. I have changed profile, now is thinner and last measurements with accu
Turnigy 2650 mah, 4s are:
Model weight with this accu is 1580 g, hovering with 26,3 A,
Max thrust 2500 g - 51,5 A
E-flite 60 A ESC with 5 degrees timing.
Enjoy.
(On photo is stock AE prop)
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Old Jan 24, 2015, 10:36 PM
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No duhh you added extra holes. But that isn't ALL you did as shown in your next post. You also reinforced the plate with what looks like carbon fiber (shown in your next post). The stock plate would not be strong enough on the outer edges to support the torque on the outer holes. It would have twisted and broke the plate on the first landing. So you gave incomplete and and therefor BAD advice. Doing what you said would have resulted in someone not as experienced breaking their plane.
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Creapyd,
my reinforcing has NO connection with mounting new landing gear.
For normal landing is the stock SLICK plate strong enough. For our sandy runway is reinforcing just for safety. No matter if you have original landing gear or my, which is in two pieces.

Free advice: buy original landing gear and everything will be ok.
For fine upgrades you need a little feeling, experience...
Each to their own as I say. But I'm with Creapyd on this one. The standard aluminum landing gear has issues "twisting" on some harrier landings and tearing one side bolt hole out of fuselage (without extra stregthening). So a 2 piece landing gear arrangement would definately need carbon fibre/epoxy or just epoxy strengthening around all joints to work succesfully for any amount of time.
Not having a go but if your offering advice you need to offer all of it as some on here aren't as experienced and we don't need them breaking things and losing interest if avoidable.

I would definately recommend CF one piece LG's, as this is what the Slick was designed with, and there are a number of them available on HK website, just double check measurements (mainly slot width and fuse width for flat piece of LG and maybe height) ***Double check this with comments, as HK's measurements can be out sometimes***
If your going to bother with "upgrading" the LG that is..... I haven't.
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Old Jan 26, 2015, 02:28 AM
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Hi Mustaine,
I have already explained why I fly with folding props as follows:
" I have tested several prop systems.
Folding prop system is for my taste better.
Entire system is lighter, excellent efficiency, you can use various yokes, no vibrations, big choice of various sizes and producers, You can adapt the set up to your needs...
For RC geeks excellent way for wasting time with neverending testing "

Prop must be hard tightened (but not too hard).
No worries, centrifugal force put it in proper position.
On this model I have HM Klemm spinner 47 mm and 50 mm yoke.
Last test was with my custom tuned Aeronaut prop 14x6, which I modified to 13,2 x 6. I have changed profile, now is thinner and last measurements with accu
Turnigy 2650 mah, 4s are:
Model weight with this accu is 1580 g, hovering with 26,3 A,
Max thrust 2500 g - 51,5 A
E-flite 60 A ESC with 5 degrees timing.
Enjoy.
(On photo is stock AE prop)
Thanks for the reply. AUW is quite good with 2650mah 4s
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Old Jan 26, 2015, 06:23 AM
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Yesterday was niiice windy day. +1 degree C, feel as at least -10
Hard job for SLICK... and Lipo accus as well.
But no problem
When I tried some elevators, Slick was in few moments 50 m away,
juhu.
Hovering was a new 3D maneuver: vertical movement with 20-30 km/h speed.
Juhu again.
Landing a big juhu...
But also no problem.
Oh, yes, Slick is beautiful sail plane as well

(When was a gust of wind over 90 km/h, I was not in the air, I have measured wind speed after landing. The wind was getting stronger from minute to minute)
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Old Feb 22, 2015, 10:39 PM
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Decided I needed a little more throw on elevator.
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Bit hard in pics to see much difference but it's there. Down has much more throw, lookout tumbles, KE spins and waterfalls etc..... Looking forward to next outing
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Old Feb 24, 2015, 03:39 AM
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That's some serious throw. Do you flip in and out of low/high rates or just fly with lots of expo? I have problems flipping switches as I never know what I wanna do next.
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Old Feb 24, 2015, 04:59 AM
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That's some serious throw. Do you flip in and out of low/high rates or just fly with lots of expo? I have problems flipping switches as I never know what I wanna do next.
I eventually want to have 4 or so rates but at the moment only have 2. High and low. From memory on low I have about 40% expo and high about 60% odd. Youll need to setup rates for different manoeuvres and this is a personal "feel" thing too. Knowing what your going to do next and flicking switch for it is part of the fun. Only having two rates is easier too as I'm lazy and prob forget if I had more anyway.
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Old Yesterday, 12:48 AM
how'd I do that....oh
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thats some killer throw there hoverin
pretty much the same as what i have on mine.
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