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Old Jul 23, 2006, 05:11 AM
Ken
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good candidates for first giant model airplane

Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better if
the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.


Old Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 AM
The Natural Philosopher
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Ken wrote:
> Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
> giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
> great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
> aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
> kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
> removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better if
> the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
> little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.
>
>

Try the senior telemaster http://www.hobby-lobby.com/srtele.htm for a
start..there are quite a few 'large vintage/trainer' type machines out
there.

But the big tele is a firm favorite..slow to land, but with enough watts
or horsepower up front, will do the usual things you would expect of a
high wing with some dihedral sort of layout.

Even the 'you only need a .40' is blatant overpowering when compared to
some electric models, which have flown on not much more than 300W (about
half a bhp..more like a 30 glo).They do have the advantages of being
able to gear for a bigger prop though.

If you have the time to build this, at $110 for the kit, its a no
brainer to at least explore this size of model.

If I were doing it glo/gas Id probably think in terms of a 60 or 90
4-stroke. Might need some beefing up for a 90 though.
Old Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 AM
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:46:46 GMT, "Ken" <nyyssitt@koti.luukku.com> wrote in
<WHGwg.76$yA4.69@read3.inet.fi>:

>Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
>giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
>great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
>aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
>kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
>removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better if
>the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
>little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.


I had a lot of fun with a Road Runner until I broke it. (

Bruce Tharpe (sp?) has a nice looking Flying King. Not aerobatic though.
More of a utility plane.

Great Planes used to make a 1.20 Super Sportster. That may be
back in production as an ARF. Low-wing, tail dragger, modest
aerobatic capabilities.

Marty
Old Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 AM
Frank Schwartz
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane


My vote goes for the Bruce Tharpe "Fkying King". This is a
beautifully engineered kit and was an absolute pleasure to build.
I used a Saito 80 in mine and it is capable of loops rolls and even
inverted flight...much t the surprise of everyone who has flown it.
I've ben building all mylife and this kit is one of the best
engineered and best building one I ever built. Check his web page and
what his builders have to say.
I've built and flown the SR Telemaster also..even the 12 foot
one..they fly fine, but my vote still goes tothe "Flying King"
Frank Schwartz
Old Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 AM
Bob Cowell
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

On Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:46:46 GMT, "Ken" <nyyssitt@koti.luukku.com> wrote:

>Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
>giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
>great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
>aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
>kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
>removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better if
>the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
>little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.
>


Morris Hobbies, Jerry's Big Boy
Old Jul 23, 2006, 01:11 PM
Red Scholefield
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Sig Spacewalker is a good start.

Red S.

"Ken" <nyyssitt@koti.luukku.com> wrote in message
news:WHGwg.76$yA4.69@read3.inet.fi...
> Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
> giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
> great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
> aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
> kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
> removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better
> if the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
> little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.
>



Old Jul 23, 2006, 07:11 PM
Ken
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

I was thinking of a plane capable of most aerobatic, if not all, manouvers
apart from the 3D thing.One plane Iīve been looking at is the SIG Four-Star
120. But, Iīm afraid the wing is about 250 cm and that it isnīt dividable
for transport...I may be wrong though. The Four-Star also comes in a
60-size, but Iīd like something bigger. Iīve seen some Precedent Stampe
quarterscale kits out there on sale too, but browsing the web there seem to
be quite a few builders who have abandend building it because of a very low
quality kit, apparantely the dies used for cutting the parts in the kit has
been anything but good. But there must be more out there, nice plans-built,
kits or ARF giant model airplanes with aerobatic ability. I donīt want
anything that flies like a rocket, it has to be able to slow down nicely for
the landing circuit. My flying club field has high trees on final so I need
to be able to slow the plane down safely and come in with a quite high sink
rate before the flare. And as I said, it doesnīt have to be scale at all, I
also really like model airplanes that look like model airplanes. :-)


Old Jul 23, 2006, 07:11 PM
Ken
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"Ken" <nyyssitt@koti.luukku.com> kirjoitti
viestissä:WHGwg.76$yA4.69@read3.inet.fi...
> Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
> giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
> great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
> aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
> kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
> removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better
> if the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
> little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.


I forgot to tell you, that I live in Finland. I had a look at the Flying
Kings, love the looks and especially the super-size one with its cleverly
dividable wing and big flaps! If it could be had with a tri-gear the biggy
would be a wet dream! Still maybe the design is not a good aerobatic
trainer. Unfortunately also it would be too big and expensive to import it
to Finland. Iīve ordered some trainers from Tower Hobbies once, the size of
models that take .25 size 2-stroke glow engines, and even for those small
kits with the wings shipped as two halves in the box the shipping was more
than the kits themselves. The other wonderful Jerry's Big Boy is an ARF of a
kind that is not imported over here, so sadly that too is out of question.
Bummer. Any more good candidates, maybe something that one of the bigger kit
makers carries, like SIG, Great Planes or the like? Or something nice that
is plans-built? The telemaster looks like a great flyer, but is not
aerobatic enough I believe, it looks like a classic trainer and I already
have a couple of those.


Old Jul 23, 2006, 11:11 PM
Jim Slaughter
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Sig Rascal 110! Incredible flying airplane!!

"Ken" <nyyssitt@koti.luukku.com> wrote in message
news:WHGwg.76$yA4.69@read3.inet.fi...
> Iīve been doing some searching on the web for good candidates for a first
> giant model airplane. It doesnīt have to be a giant scale model, just a
> great flying giant easily built model airplane capable of sportsman class
> aerobatics. Any suggestions? Anything from scratch building from plans to
> kit planes to ARF is ok by me. It would be good though, if the wing can be
> removed from the fuselage for transportation and storage, and even better
> if the wing could be divided in two. If the wing is maximum 2 meters or a
> little more, it doesnīt have to be dividable in two either.
>



Old Jul 24, 2006, 01:11 AM
Geoff Sanders
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Why not contact Bruce Tharpe, explain your problem with shipping cost,
and see if he will sell you the plans via email? It is worth a try.
http://www.btemodels.com/


Old Jul 24, 2006, 01:11 AM
Frank Schwartz
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Sig also makes a 4 Star 120..big and a good flyer.
Frank
Old Jul 24, 2006, 07:11 PM
Storm's Hamilton
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Ken, I have an Ultra Sport 1000 kit sitting on my shelf for a rainy day. Is
it raining there?

http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0425.html

MK


Old Jul 24, 2006, 09:11 PM
Martin X. Moleski, SJ
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:46:47 -0500, "Storm's Hamilton" <htcomp.net@storms> wrote
in <12cafu62tqvj3dc@corp.supernews.com>:

>Ken, I have an Ultra Sport 1000 kit sitting on my shelf for a rainy day. Is
>it raining there?


>http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0425.html


I have a US 1000, too.

I agree that it is probably a good plane for his purposes--IF he uses
flaps or flaperons to slow it down as it comes in over the trees at
the end of his field.

It's easy to float the Ultra Sport waaaaaaaay past the end of
the runway. It's not as draggy as other planes that have been
recommended in this thread.

Photos of my Road Runner (crashed, despite what the page
says), Wagstaff, and UltraSport:

http://moleski.net/rc/current.htm

Marty
Old Jul 25, 2006, 05:11 AM
Ken
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Re: good candidates for first giant model airplane

Itīs a queen! Still, sofar it would seem that the only giant scale available
here and pretty suitable for my wallet is the Fourstar. Its incredible, but
the price on most kits and ARF:s here are usually at least 50% higher than
you have in the U.S. The 60 version cost over here more than the 120 version
in the U.S. Many models cost at least double that you pay. Hard to believe
itīs just transportation cost explaining the differences and our taxes and
the custom fees arenīt THAT high either. =)

Iīm wandering a bit out of topic here, but just must tell you of my latest
visit to a model shop. Itīs one with a pretty good collection of airplanes,
well, medium size of them anyway. I was going to get some 8x40 mm trailing
edge balsa lists, Graupner basic stuff. One single list of 1 meter length
was about 5.50 euros, thatīs like 7 dollars! Ok, same thing, same make, same
everything, will cost under half of that if I drive one hour in each
direction. Iīm resurrecting one of my first models, a small bipe, and it has
come to cost me more than the complete kit including everything way back
then.Still, Iīm doing it because it has the kind of value to me that money
cannot buy.

Kits over here seem to be equally priced almost regardless of which shop
youīre dealing with. And we all know that the price of the kit is the
smallest price of building an airplane model. Still, you have to go with
what you can afford and do it bit by bit...and itīs great fun doing it that
way! :-) Itīs also a good thing that we do have some model shops and donīt
have to order everything from abroad. (...and Iīm not trying to start an
endless thread on the subject of buying locally or abroad here, both
possibilities are in my opinion needed)

"Martin X. Moleski, SJ" <moleski@canisius.edu> kirjoitti
viestissä:7onac2tr49rne1s8jin5nhah5am4dt3nbl@4ax.c om...
> On Mon, 24 Jul 2006 16:46:47 -0500, "Storm's Hamilton" <htcomp.net@storms>
> wrote
> in <12cafu62tqvj3dc@corp.supernews.com>:
>
>>Ken, I have an Ultra Sport 1000 kit sitting on my shelf for a rainy day.
>>Is
>>it raining there?

>
>>http://www.greatplanes.com/discontinued/gpma0425.html

>
> I have a US 1000, too.
>
> I agree that it is probably a good plane for his purposes--IF he uses
> flaps or flaperons to slow it down as it comes in over the trees at
> the end of his field.
>
> It's easy to float the Ultra Sport waaaaaaaay past the end of
> the runway. It's not as draggy as other planes that have been
> recommended in this thread.
>
> Photos of my Road Runner (crashed, despite what the page
> says), Wagstaff, and UltraSport:
>
> http://moleski.net/rc/current.htm
>
> Marty



 


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