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Old Aug 04, 2006, 08:16 PM
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Charity does not start at home or please dont feed the homeless

It seems the good burgers of Las Vegas dont like the idea of charity being handed out in public places.

After all cant have the gamblers fantasy world disrupted by a bit of reality, there is a time and place for every thing and in Las Vegas there is no place for reality. So the place for charity in Las Vegas must be outa sight and outa mind.

OMG that left wing, liberal bunch of do good busy bodies the American Civil Liberties Union has put its nose into things defending the right to administer charity in public.

What a combination, charity, ACLU, Las Vegas, homeless people, something for everyone.

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Las Vegas Rule on Feeding Homeless Draws Lawsuit


LAS VEGAS (AP) -- Activists sued Wednesday to strike down a new city law that makes it illegal to feed homeless people in parks.

The law violates free speech, free assembly and other rights, says the federal suit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union of Nevada.

The suit was filed on behalf of five activists and the local chapter of Food Not Bombs, a national organization that describes its objective as "sharing free vegetarian food with hungry people and protesting war and poverty."

The group and its members regularly served meals to homeless people in a Las Vegas park, angering neighbors and sparking the debate that led to the ordinance, passed July 19.

It prohibits "providing food or meals to the indigent for free or for a nominal fee" in a city park and defines indigent as a person whom a reasonable ordinary person would believe to be entitled to county public assistance.

Violators face a fine up to $1,000 and as many as six months in jail. Seven people have been issued summonses, and three have been arrested.

Lee Rowland, public advocate for the ACLU of Nevada, called the ordinance "immoral" and "embarrassing for the city." Its language violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment by "requiring people to make a snap judgment about others based on how they look," she said.

City attorney Brad Jerbic said he had not seen the suit but planned to defend the law and the City Council, which is named in the complaint along with Mayor Oscar Goodman, the city manager, city marshals and police.

The law was aimed at the advocates' activities in Huntridge Circle park near downtown, Jerbic said. Their mobile meals program drew homeless people away from shelters and health providers.

"The shelters provide food, beds, counseling services and doctors," he said. "What this is doing is, it's pulling them away from services and abandoning them in these parks."
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/04/us/04brfs-001.html
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 08:38 PM
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It is immoral

Starving people don't want vegetarian food...give them a burger or a steak
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 08:45 PM
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One block over from the strip and you can find hundreds of homeless people. It doesn't stop people from blowing their money in Vegas. Apparently most folks don't mind the new law.
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 08:53 PM
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A police record for the crime of feeding a homeless person - now that would be something to be proud of.

Here's more, including some sarcastic editorials: http://news.google.com/news?sourceid...vegas+homeless

And here's a challenge: Find an article saying that it's a good idea, which didn't come from a clearly right-wing conservative source. I guarantee that nobody will ever manage that. This is a law that only a Republican could love.
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 11:39 PM
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I think it's a silly law. But I think there's more to the story. Does this group pull people out of shelters and into the open?
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 11:56 PM
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"Silly"?

I can think of lots of words to describe a law like that one, such as "heartless", or "cruel", but "silly" just doesn't quite seem to fit.

How about the torture of prisoners in Guantanamo? Would you describe that as "silly"?
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Old Aug 04, 2006, 11:58 PM
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Hey, I agreed with you. No need to fight it.
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 12:00 AM
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This new law has become the laughing stock du jour. Makes me feel like a dope to admit I'm in Vegas. I can understand prohibiting setting up a chow line in a park, but banning handing out a sandwich??? Come on!

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Old Aug 05, 2006, 04:21 AM
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Surely it's legal to feed dogs, cats or birds, so why not humans ?

No sympathy in Las Vegas, so I won't feel sorry for Mr Wynn (the casino owner and builder)
who has gone partly blind.

If Las Vegas was run in a smarter way all the homeless would be bussed out of town,
and far away from the tourists, and suckers (I meant "gamblers").
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 04:31 AM
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I can't imagine an uglier depiction of western culture.

This reads like a Stalin or Castro propaganda reel.

The richest and ritziest city in America should be able to afford to feed it's homeless.

We are only as rich as the poorest among us. The inability to apportion a tiny fraction of the wealth that Las Vegas drains from the rest of the country is surely the seeds of its destruction.

Stay tuned for Las Vegas's just desserts.
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 06:32 AM
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... The inability to apportion a tiny fraction of the wealth that Las Vegas drains from the rest of the country is surely the seeds of its destruction.

Stay tuned for Las Vegas's just desserts.
Something biblical or of biblical proportions?

This could be good.

Staying tuned.
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 10:12 AM
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They're feeding the homeless desserts too? No wonder there's so many of them!
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 11:58 AM
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They're feeding the homeless desserts too? No wonder there's so many of them!

Dang, how many courses are they getting with those meals?
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 12:22 PM
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Whatever became of vagrancy laws?
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Old Aug 05, 2006, 12:35 PM
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This is rich

You can't feed indigent humans, and you must be aware of the always-changing-standard for receiving public assistance. But you can feed wealthy people for free or a nominal fee.

Discrimination?

Geez. Any city attorney who would defend that lawsuit is nothing but a whore who should be expelled from the bar. The proper course of action is to advise the city's elected officers that their law is patently illegal. Mounting a frivolous defense to kiss up to the city bosses is unethical.

Anatole France's famous saying begs to be quoted (paraphrased):

"The law, in the name of equal justice for all, prohibits both rich and poor from sleeping on park benches."

Mike Ledbetter,
California State Bar Number 101003
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