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Old Aug 30, 2015, 10:03 AM
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My 'copter won't come back!

Okay, I'm an absolute beginner. I can fly and land my Syma S33 reasonably well but it always lands 50+ metres away from where it took off!

How can I guide it back to me before landing it? I do try to guide it with the right joystick but it seems to ignore my efforts!
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 12:07 PM
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is the tail rotor functioning properly? if not your only control is altitude and directional rotating. also if there is too much wind then the tail rotor may not be able to overcome it and move foreward even if it is functioning.
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 12:16 PM
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That's one of those little co-axials with a little propeller mounted horizontally where the usual tail rotor would be.
It's supposed to provide some forward and reverse movement.
Probably very minimal and slow in the best conditions, the slightest breeze probably takes over.
Probably a very short range transmitter too.

On a dead calm day after lifting off carefully go forward and back till you find just how far you can get and still be able to fly it back to where you are.
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 12:32 PM
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I think it might be the tail-rotor. There's a video on YouTube showing how to replace it. Would that be worthwhile?
About the wind, you are right. We haven't had a dead calm day in months here!
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 12:34 PM
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my thoughts exactly johnfm. a had a small one like this and even indoors a fan across the room would affect foreward flight.
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 12:58 PM
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If you hold it in your hand and can feel any prop wash at all coming off that rear that's probably all you'll get.
Suitable for indoors or outside close in and dead calm.
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 03:01 PM
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Remove any weight possible from the tail

Move the battery as far forward as possible and maybe add a little weight at the nose. This will tilt the heli forward, which is what your tail rotor does. Of course, you will probably lose the ability to go in reverse or even hover.

Silly question but have you adjusted the trims on the transmitter?
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Old Aug 30, 2015, 04:27 PM
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Not silly at all - I'm new at this game! I don't know how to do this though.
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Old Aug 31, 2015, 03:46 AM
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That type of heli is unsuitable for flying outdoors, they are sold as indoor toys and that's really all they are good for. You can try modifying it if you like but the improvement will only ever be marginal at best.
The 'problem' is that these types of coaxial heli do not have any control over cyclic pitch (i.e. the ability to change the pitch angle of the blades as they rotate so that you can lean the heli forward, backward or sideways). Because of this they have only very marginal control authority and if there is even a breath of wind they just drift away like a balloon.

Best option is to fly it indoors only, and for outdoor flying get a more suitable heli (i.e. not a co-axial with no cyclic pitch control)
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Old Aug 31, 2015, 09:18 AM
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That type of heli is unsuitable for flying outdoors, they are sold as indoor toys and that's really all they are good for.
On the cover of the manual it states: FOR OUTDOOR USE ONLY - DO NOT FLY INDOORS

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They lie, and they got me too when I was just starting out, so don't feel bad.

As the others have mentioned, if you really want to fly outdoors, you need a helicopter with a swashplate
and main blades that provide cyclic pitch.

The cheapest one I know of is the V911, which runs around $40, but it's so small that it needs to be somewhat
calm conditions unless you follow the advice given by mybad a few posts back.

The V911 will drive aggressively into a 5+ Mph breeze when properly set up.
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Thanks for the good advice guys. I will probably spend some more money - this time, on a decent one that will fly outdoors and can handle a light wind.

Would you have any recommendations? I would like to have something around 50 -70 cm. in length. Cheers.
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V-913.
Nice size easy to fly flybarred heli.
They can handle a moderate amount of wind, but because of the flybar they do suffer in wind over 5-6 MPH.
Still better than the tiny V-911.
Next step up would be a F 067 flybarless.
Takes a little more skill to fly, but can handle 10+ MPH wind.
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On the cover of the manual it states: FOR OUTDOOR USE ONLY - DO NOT FLY INDOORS

Yeah, and there's the problem with these large size coaxials... Too big to fly in the house and not enough control to fly outdoors in anything but the odd flat calm day. Basically they are useless unless you have a large hall or similar to fly in.

'recommendations' very much depends on what you have to spend. The WLToys V-911 is a good little heli if you want to spend as little as possible. The sky is the limit if your pockets are deep enough, but larger helis are quite dangerous in untrained hands.

50-70cm in length puts you smack in '450' heli territory. This is about the most popular size of heli and while they are classed as 'mini' helicopters make no mistake, they are serious pieces of hardware, nothing at all like your Syma. It's certainly possible to learn to fly with one but you need to treat them with great respect, they aren't 'toys' they can hurt you. It's probably best to get some practice in on something cheap and harmless like the V-911 before trying your luck with a 450.

The most popular type of 450 size helicopter is the Align Trex 450 in it's various guises. There are also many copies of the Align design available at lower cost, commonly known as 'clones'. Quality of clones vary greatly.
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Not silly at all - I'm new at this game! I don't know how to do this though.
I assume your transmitter has trim adjustments

See this video. Not all applies but it might help. To get MORE forward movement you could give more forward trim. IE elevator trim.

Walkera QR X350 - Adjusting Transmitter Flight Trim Tutorial and Reducing Quad Drifting (14 min 48 sec)


Hope this helps
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