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Old Aug 25, 2012, 12:00 PM
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Lets assume for a moment that they have samples of all those past tests and today they have the technology to find doping that they couldn't find way back when and Lance is guilty. Are they now going to go back and test all the second place finishers and on down the line? No. This is about toppling Lance and nothing else. I think the whole thing stinks. The bicycling racing world meant little in this country before Lance and after this will mean even less. AFAIC, they can all take a long ride off a short cliff.
All of the riders who finished second in Tours behind Lance have tested positive, been banned and/or been on teams that withdrew from the Tour because of doping (Astana & Festina).
BTW, watched some pro cycling yesterday, more today.
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 04:22 PM
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Yes. I'm sure all of the people claiming to have seen him cheat all share the same false memory.
If he Was cheating, why would he show ANYONE, much less "all of the people claiming to have seen him cheat".
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 04:25 PM
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If he Was cheating, why would he show ANYONE, much less "all of the people claiming to have seen him cheat".
Because they all did it together.
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 04:29 PM
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Because they all did it together.
Yeap and this is the problem we allow this to happen not just in this sport but many sports in fact in our High Schools..
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Old Aug 25, 2012, 08:36 PM
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The French hate to lose, Lance them off by waking up in the morning.


This guy beat a Frenchie at his own game, and won the Tour 3 times, and I never heard of any doping scandals about him from the French.



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Old Aug 27, 2012, 01:54 PM
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Lance is a liar, a cheat and scumbag... Did I miss anything?
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 01:57 PM
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Lance is a liar, a cheat and scumbag... Did I miss anything?
Just the evidence to support your position.

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The only problem is that there's no evidence that he cheated.
Exactly
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 02:02 PM
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Just the evidence to support your position.
You do realize 4 ex-teammates testified to a Grand Jury about the US Postal teams doping practices don't you (it should also be noted that eye-witness testimony under oath constitutes as evidence). Do you also know that there currently exists no test to prove blood transfusions? Just tests that indicate it? For example Lance's test of the 2009 tour indicate blood doping as his hemoglobin levels actually rose during the race. This is unnatural blood activity and indicates blood transfusions. Are you also aware of the many ex professional riders who also never failed a single drug test but later admitted to doping?

Saying you never failed a test doesn't mean you never doped.
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 02:05 PM
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You do realize 4 ex-teammates testified to a Grand Jury about the US Postal teams doping practices don't you (it should also be noted that eye-witness testimony under oath constitutes as evidence).
Did your neighbor's cousin's grandma's dog's uncle's brother hear that over the fence? Or was some actual evidence that Armstrong cheated actually presented?
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 02:08 PM
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Oh there exists plenty more I'm sure since the USADA has stripped him of his titles... We don't currently know all they know. That's just some of it.
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 03:03 PM
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Did your neighbor's cousin's grandma's dog's uncle's brother hear that over the fence? Or was some actual evidence that Armstrong cheated actually presented?
Were those people all teammates of Lance?
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 03:14 PM
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Were those people all teammates of Lance?
Did any teammates of Lance provide any physical evidence, or was everything hearsay like your neighbor's cousin's grandma's dog's uncle's brother hearing it over the fence?
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 03:15 PM
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Just the evidence to support your position.

Exactly
I see we agree, maybe your not so nuts!
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 03:18 PM
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You do realize 4 ex-teammates testified to a Grand Jury about the US Postal teams doping practices don't you (it should also be noted that eye-witness testimony under oath constitutes as evidence). Do you also know that there currently exists no test to prove blood transfusions? Just tests that indicate it? For example Lance's test of the 2009 tour indicate blood doping as his hemoglobin levels actually rose during the race. This is unnatural blood activity and indicates blood transfusions. Are you also aware of the many ex professional riders who also never failed a single drug test but later admitted to doping?

Saying you never failed a test doesn't mean you never doped.
10 ex-teammates were prepared to testify against him if this went to the next step which was arbitration. That is why I think he gave up. He knew his goose was cooked.
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Old Aug 27, 2012, 03:19 PM
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Did any teammates of Lance provide any physical evidence, or was everything hearsay like your neighbor's cousin's grandma's dog's uncle's brother hearing it over the fence?
If people testify they saw him cheat that counts as evidence. 10 ex-teammates were prepared to testify to that.
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