Originally Posted by hankster1225

Ha Ha…Too funny. Not trying to be rude, but sometimes I do wonder where people are getting their facts from to make a statement like this. Saying you can’t run a brushless motor on a fixed pitch helicopter is just as false as saying you can’t loop a fixed pitch helicopter. Both can be done very successfully.

Yeah, a little condescending, okay? And no, you're not going to do that great using a BM in a stock HB FP airframe. A Guru-Z with low-pitch main blades is a different beast than the HB, Walkera #4 or one of its re-branded versions, a Sabre, etc. Their main blades have too much pitch for higher RPM's and the weak plastic rotor heads aren't built to sustain high RPM.

Wow, wish my Bee could do that.

Originally Posted by zen@lanset.com

Yeah, a little condescending, okay? And no, you're not going to do that great using a BM in a stock HB FP airframe. A Guru-Z with low-pitch main blades is a different beast than the HB, Walkera #4 or one of its re-branded versions, a Sabre, etc. Their main blades have too much pitch for higher RPM's and the weak plastic rotor heads aren't built to sustain high RPM.

If i'm not mistaken those are just regular old superblades.......with an all plastic parts rotor head .........Just say'n..........................Kato

Originally Posted by zen@lanset.com

Yeah, a little condescending, okay? And no, you're not going to do that great using a BM in a stock HB FP airframe.

I apologize for sounding condescending, it was not my intent. My response was do to the generalization of fixed pitch helicopters in your post and I quote “Fixed pitch helicopters do not operate in the RPM range produced by brushless main motors”. Now if you had of said a completely stock honey bee could not handle the rpm range produced by a brushless main motor, I would still disagree with you, but would not of spoken up. These days there’s tons of different types of brushless motors on the market and yes it would take a little research and time, but with the right kv and gearing I’m sure one could find a bl motor suited for a stock FP honey bee.

Originally Posted by zen@lanset.com

A Guru-Z with low-pitch main blades is a different beast than the HB, Walkera #4 or one of its re-branded versions, a Sabre, etc.

Yes I totally agree “ A Guru-Z with low-pitch main blades is a different beast than the HB, Walkera #4 or one of its re-branded versions, a Sabre, etc”. Well I would agree that a Guru-Z with low-pitch blades is a different beast than a stock HB, Walkera #4 or one of its re-branded version, Sabre, etc. I’ve built modded honey bees and walkera #4/falcon 40 that would hang with, if not smoke a guru-z build. Just to be clear, the helicopter in the video I posted was not a guru-z airframe, it was a honey bee V2 airframe with a guru-z 3900kv motor.

Originally Posted by zen@lanset.com

Their main blades have too much pitch for higher RPM's and the weak plastic rotor heads aren't built to sustain high RPM.

Yes the flimsy stock +12 degree blades that come with the Bee and the others mention above can not handle higher rpm. They are designed to take the beating of a noob and compensate for the weak/under power stock 370 can motor. Remember the Bee was designed and marketed as a beginner/trainer helicopter, not a high performance machine. The high pitch/ low headspeed given by the stock blades might not be the most stable, but the low headspeed really help in reducing crash damage. To me, when a new pilot is first learning to hover, it’s a fair trade off. Now once a new pilot is comfortable with hovering in all orientations and is ready for forward flight the stock blades did their job and needs to go. After installing a head stiffener, the first thing is replacing the main blades for lower pitch/aftermarket blades that will give better performance in forward flight. What’s great about the Bee and other 300 size fixed pitch helicopter is as the pilot grows in skill and if he/she wants to, they can mod the bee for better performance to grow with them.

I would love to discuss headspeed/rpm on a fixed pitch helicopter and how much rpm the stock bee plastic head can handle, but it will have to be another time, as I have a lot of yard work to do today.

Originally Posted by JCMorgan

Wow, wish my Bee could do that.

Your Bee could, that is if you wanted to and it really wouldn’t break the bank to do it. And you don’t even have to go brushless to make a great performing bee.

Homemade head stiffener
Superblade Xps
CP3 370 super motor with 8T pinion
CP3 DD tail motor with prop
CP3 3in1 mod

If you can still find these parts in stock somewhere, it would be about $50.00 not counting shipping to turn a stock bee into a super flying yard bird.

O-yeah almost forgot. It would take another $13.00 to do the plastic Bell/Hiller mod to increase cyclic response to that of a cp helicopter.

Here’s a link on how to install the 3in1
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=291713

Also here’s a link on how to do the plastic B/H mod.
http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=258279

Originally Posted by katoace

If i'm not mistaken those are just regular old superblades.......with an all plastic parts rotor head .........Just say'n..........................Kato

Totally right Bro!

Just some regular old superblades and a stock plastic esky bee head assembly with the B/H mod in that video…Yeah Baby!!!

Well I guess if I’m going to make a statement saying I’ve built honey Bees/walkera #4 that will smoke a guru -z bird. I should back that up with some proof as I know there’s a lot of guru-z fans out there.

This is a old modded honey bee V1 with a modified walkera head on it. This bird is power by a bl turnigy 2627-4200kv main and a cp3 brushed n60 tail motor. I seen a ton of guru-z videos and I never seen one fly like this puppy. Not saying a guru-z can’t, just saying I’ve never seen one that can. Enjoy!

TIGHT LOOPING ACTION WITH A FP RC HELICOPTER (5 min 11 sec)