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Old Oct 17, 2011, 09:18 AM
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Anemometers are a little pricey, do you know where I can pick up a reasonably priced unit?
DealExtreme.com has a few:
http://s.dealextreme.com/search/wind+speed

I bought this one, seems like everyone has doubled their price recently (I paid $15 3 months ago):
http://www.dinodirect.com/anemometer...rency-CAD.html

Nice unit, needs to be facing wind to get accurate(?) reading.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 09:24 AM
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I think that is the best idea now to remove the stock adapter for most newer units. Mine came off real easy just prying it but it seems the newer one are a bit tougher from all the post about them.
Perhaps a note on page one about snipping them off with a Dremel cut off wheel. As Ole 'Fart' Joe says, the shaft is rather long.
Hey guys, I too had problems getting the stock prop adapter off the shaft on my first Skys about a year ago. I didn't want to cut the shaft off in back of the adapter so what I did was to cut a slot in the adapter in line with the shaft using a Dremel cutoff wheel. Was careful not to cut into the shaft. Then I tried the pry-off method and it just slipped off nicely and had the full length of the shaft. It took about 2 minutes and "water go spaghetti stay" . Worked like a champ.

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Old Oct 17, 2011, 09:42 AM
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Hey guys, just finished some bench testing on the RC Timer BC 2212/6-2200 motor I recently installed on my SkyS V2 with various props:


I will now be running the same tests with the 2200 inrunner and the stock motor which many are using and will post when ready. It will be nice to compare all 3 motors.
There is no difference between the RDT 2212-6 and the 2826-6 motors. But, here is my numbers on those motors and the MicroDan (WOW) motor.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 10:08 AM
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Just loaded a 16ft truck with about 1/4 of my houses contents for a haul to Florida. Either my brother-in-law will drive it down or I will come early Saturday am. Taking the SkyS, Slow Stick, 1 EZ*, a Super Cub and Stryker on this first real load. If he drives the wife and I will fly down Saturday and stay a couple weeks. If I drive then I will need to stop off a few places on the way....Like Richlands NC for a lay over at StarHumpers house. Figured I get a steak dinner and all the beer I can handle. Hope he dosen't have new carpet since I'm bring the dogs too and LuLu has accidents every now and then.... I figure one or two nights and then it's off to Savannah Ga to hang with Ted a bit. Probably have a good ole southern Bar-B-Que and check out his still. I may spend up to a week there but it depends on how well his wife cooks and whether he has indoor plumbing or not. We'll see. Hopefully I can bum some gas money off him then it's off to SW Fl. Lot to do with the new house....ah, busy couple of weeks coming.
Thanks for you feedback. I like to keep track of the regulars to see new flying sites. But, you might consider that stop in Ga. It seems that G500ted got his butt in a bit of trouble on posts 9658 & 9684. I don't report folks for any reason. It just isn't something that I do. But, given his attitude on this thread, I guess he earned the points. Ah, well. Life and the SkyS go on. It is another beautiful day and I am going to take out SkyS #2 and vid a flight just for you. I am sure you have your hands full moving your stuff.
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Personal question.... See PM
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 11:41 AM
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There is no difference between the RDT 2212-6 and the 2826-6 motors. But, here is my numbers on those motors and the MicroDan (WOW) motor.
AJ
AJ, I simply do not understand your constant pushing of that MicroDan motor. From your own data you got almost exactly the same power at a given voltage. For the MicroDan you got 305.6 W at 11.25 V against 304.3 W at 11.23 V for the other, both using an APC 6x4. In order to get the higher wattages you had to go to a seven inch prop which won't even fit unless you do some fairly ugly mods to the motor mount. I don't like the looks of the motor mounted out the back of the nacelle.

And the MicroDan costs five times as much! Wow is right!

What happened to the AJ that was so interested in saving all the poor, unsuspecting newbies from spending (or knowing) more than is absolutely necessary? After all, as you said, "this is still just slightly more than a toy". Why put a motor on it that costs more than the whole Bixler ARF?

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Old Oct 17, 2011, 12:36 PM
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Selling a house could be a chore in this market! Good luck, hope it all works out for ya.
In any market, like-for-like helps AND reduces your property taxes. Sheesh... OT...
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 12:57 PM
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While you are in testing mode.... how about noise levels, thrust, and airspeed of the different props too!
Noise -

HUH? What? Loud? Nah not that loud but the other one was

Thrust-

Not just for fish anymore

Airspeed-
Well, maybe you can pick a calm day (no wind) and coerce one of your local law enforcement guys to stop by with his radar unit.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 01:15 PM
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An anemometer and a Db meter on a test bench are pretty useless items in our sport. Thrust information is always nice to have. Also, an RPM meter is somewhat useful. However, you could go through your entire life without one.I am pretty sure he meant that an airspeed indicator for a flying airplane would be nice. That would make sense. I use an anemometer only to measure the wind speed at the site I am flying at.
IMO, the only thing that is necessary is a Watt Meter. But, even then, if you never change the power system, you really don't need it either. Keep in mind that this is still just slightly more than a toy.
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I agree 1000% about the Db meter - I don't see how noise is gonna relate to flying quality, & that's what we're after. If yer lookin' for a quiet sport, take up bowling.

The airspeed indicator however....I know it's a real part of real planes but I don't honestly see how it can be considered an effective tool as long as there's any wind around....and it almost always is. That is the primary reason I didn't include that module in my EagleTree System order. May be, sometime in the future, but it'd come after I got an altimeter module. Which I also don't see as a critical instrument in what we're doing. As long as you can see it, you're not too high....and knowing how many feet that is isn't any help, once you pass it! Same goes for the GPS. I know it can be used to calculate the more-useful groundspeed, but hell, I can see where it's flying - I don't need no map overlay!

On the tachometer, something you don't endorse very strongly....if you're gonna do any bench testing on props, I think that's a fairly useful, even if not essential, tool. I'm also eager to see how rpm's drop when the LiPo starts tiring, with different props. I know I know....it's all about flying. But ya gotta have something to occupy your time/keep yer sanity when the fast-approaching full-blown Winter keeps you indoors & off the field.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 01:56 PM
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Bixler Aerobatics run

OK all....after 7 hours work transferring & uploading, I hope you'll understand why I ain't up to no music soundtrack & editing at this moment, but here in raw form is the video of my Bix gettin' hot-dawg'd by my Sensei yesterday after I solo'd.

I'd wanted this to be an example AJ could maybe post up on Page1 to show newbs & prospective buyers what these planes can do. Mike pretty well did his part (keep in mind there was gusting 20mph winds aloft, & wind blows foam around pretty easily), but the camera work suffered a bit. When we started we were over 3 Park-flyer Foamys, so had to get up a ways, and I couldn't keep it in view when zoomed even only a stop or two so, it's basically a far look. Maybe we can get something better at another time.

Too, I left raw sound so you can hear the commentary & the motor sound - including the radar clocking. ANYwayz....not looking no Oscars or anythin', this is just for your entertainment if you've got 10 minutes to burn. I think you'll like the landing. Cute commentary afterwards, too.


Thanx for watching!
111016_BixAerobaticsRun.AVI (10 min 2 sec)
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 02:21 PM
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AJ, I simply do not understand your constant pushing of that MicroDan motor. From your own data you got almost exactly the same power at a given voltage. For the MicroDan you got 305.6 W at 11.25 V against 304.3 W at 11.23 V for the other, both using an APC 6x4. In order to get the higher wattages you had to go to a seven inch prop which won't even fit unless you do some fairly ugly mods to the motor mount. I don't like the looks of the motor mounted out the back of the nacelle.

And the MicroDan costs five times as much! Wow is right!

What happened to the AJ that was so interested in saving all the poor, unsuspecting newbies from spending (or knowing) more than is absolutely necessary? After all, as you said, "this is still just slightly more than a toy". Why put a motor on it that costs more than the whole Bixler ARF?

Gord
I don't understand why you are challenging me over this topic. But, the easiest answer is the best answer. Since I started this thread, I wanted for everyone to have the maximum options available for their SkyS planes. In my case, money is no obstacle. For others, a budget is necessary. IMO, everybody in between should have choices to choose what works best for them. Is is wrong to give all price range choices on the table and let the "lowly reader" choose what works best for them. It is now and has always been my intention to present ALL (reasonable) choices to the owner of the SkyS and let them pick what works for them. Along with that goes the daunting task of keeping Page #1 at a manageable size so the new users are totally overwhelmed. The dialog we all share is to sort out what might be a good idea and what might not be a good idea. I am just the "lowly" librarian whose duty is keep Page #1 up to date. i.e. recently, I thought that using a blow dryer to remove those washers in the nose of a V1 was a good idea and I posted it on Page #1. Very soon thereafter, StarHopper44 pointed out why it was NOT such a good idea and I concurred and removed the entry. That is what I mean by my responsibility to the thread. To keep the thread fresh, I plan to gracefully bow out on Jan. 1, 2012 and let someone with fresh ideas to take over as "thread boss (I never did care for that name)". I can then go back to being just a lowly poster.
Meanwhile, back on the motor topic, I happen to like the MicroDan motor very much (as it obvious). But, I am also aware that it is not in everyones budget. Should I therefore not mention it at all, or say how much I like it. After all, there are several hundred folks that push the SkyS in other threads because they love it so much. Are they not entitled to share their opinion?
Anyhow, in summary, you and I both know you are one of the good guys and it leaves me at a loss as to what is really going on with you. Care to Share?
AJ
P.S. I flew my SkyS #2 this AM and it was GEORGEOUS. Of course, "If it ain't on video - it didn't happen." - Video to follow soon.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 02:44 PM
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OK all....after 7 hours work transferring & uploading, I hope you'll understand why I ain't up to no music soundtrack & editing at this moment, but here in raw form is the video of my Bix gettin' hot-dawg'd by my Sensei yesterday after I solo'd.

I'd wanted this to be an example AJ could maybe post up on Page1 to show newbs & prospective buyers what these planes can do.
Nice - REALLY nice landing. I wish all of my were half that good. Ok. What follows is (I hope) a constructive opinion of videos in general. Here is what has been passed around as a "standard" of videography for AV flying.
1. Keep the video to around 3 minutes in length (some say less than 3). Otherwise, it gets boring.
2. Keep the plane as close to you as is safely possible for you and others in your group. It is hard to see those really fine acrobatics when you can't even tell what they are.
3. Mute the motor sound or replace it with music of your liking. Remember that most of us are in the gray hair generation and Heavy Metal is not very nice on our ears.
4. If you able to talk while flying, it is nice to hear what you are doing before you do it and your reaction during and after the stunt/procedure. I have received many, many compliments about this one thing and I don't know of anyone else that has done it (although, I am sure there must be some).
5. Please do not take crotch shots. Nobody cares and it is borderline disgusting.
6. Do not make us watch while you go out and pick up your plane to get it ready for the next launch.
7. Edit out all those little things that are of no interest to anyone.
Remember that each of you is a Steven Spielberg and try to make your video up to his standards.
Ok. Enough of that. I am sure I will take some flak over all that. But, all of the above is IMO only. If enough people agree I will post it on Page #1 somewhere in an effort to help everyone make movies that each of us can enjoy. Please - Give me your thoughts.
BTW- In looking over those guidelines, I can see I need improvement in my videos and I honestly am working on getting my videos better.

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Old Oct 17, 2011, 02:52 PM
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Quick glue question.

I just received the Bixler kit. The foam strip for the channel where the wing strut goes will need to be glued into place. This channel will hold the strut into place, so a very good bond is required.

I'm thinking the wing flexes too much for epoxy. What glue would be best for this application?

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Old Oct 17, 2011, 02:59 PM
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Quick glue question.

I just received the Bixler kit. The foam strip for the channel where the wing strut goes will need to be glued into place. This channel will hold the strut into place, so a very good bond is required.

I'm thinking the wing flexes too much for epoxy. What glue would be best for this application?

Cliff
Superglue or CA as is commonly known. Do not use kicker.
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Old Oct 17, 2011, 03:00 PM
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Just loaded a 16ft truck with about 1/4 of my houses contents for a haul to Florida. Either my brother-in-law will drive it down or I will come early Saturday am. Taking the SkyS, Slow Stick, 1 EZ*, a Super Cub and Stryker on this first real load. If he drives the wife and I will fly down Saturday and stay a couple weeks. If I drive then I will need to stop off a few places on the way....Like Richlands NC for a lay over at StarHumpers house. Figured I get a steak dinner and all the beer I can handle. Hope he dosen't have new carpet since I'm bring the dogs too and LuLu has accidents every now and then.... I figure one or two nights and then it's off to Savannah Ga to hang with Ted a bit. Probably have a good ole southern Bar-B-Que and check out his still. I may spend up to a week there but it depends on how well his wife cooks and whether he has indoor plumbing or not. We'll see. Hopefully I can bum some gas money off him then it's off to SW Fl. Lot to do with the new house....ah, busy couple of weeks coming.
What!? Well, heck fire we shore nuff have indoor plummin' down here. In fact just last week I put new tar paper on the outhouse roof so's it's "indoors" agin. Seems we had a bit of a problem when the wife's sister's second cuzzin Bubba who is stayin with us tried to light a seegar while he was in the "reading room" and havin another one of his bad GI spells. Wife's been tryin out sum of Paula Deen's recipes in casin we gets company sumtime, and sum of them don't sit too well if you git my drift. Got the door kinda re-hung, too. Dang near blew that thing all the way across the goat enclosure it did!

Bubba is a little better now, so we'll tidy up his room a bit for y'all to stay as long as ya want to. I ain't showin nobody wheres I have my still though.

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Old Oct 17, 2011, 03:02 PM
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Quick glue question.

I just received the Bixler kit. The foam strip for the channel where the wing strut goes will need to be glued into place. This channel will hold the strut into place, so a very good bond is required.

I'm thinking the wing flexes too much for epoxy. What glue would be best for this application?

Cliff
I used some good old left over GWS "contact cement" and then taped over it with clear packing tape. I believe others have used white Groilla glue and tape, but I'm sure you'll get many different responses.

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