Originally Posted by ENGINETORQUE

Hey, if it was English beer then it'd STILL taste better than the stuff you guys call beer

Yecch! I can't believe you guys are arguing over something that tastes like bitter soap suds!

Originally Posted by BE77 Pilot

I never said people didn't benefit from the programs, I just said they were bankrupt, and they didn't work because they were government programs. Government programs never work. SS was a huge lie to the American people just like ocare is. Same crap different decade.

SS is not a "lie" at all. And again SS is not bankrupt.

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The bottom line for me is I no longer trust our government. I do not trust them to look out for my future, my healthcare or anything else for that matter. And certainly not my money. They are incapable of doing anything right from delivering mail to issuing car license plates so why would I give them money all my life expecting to get it back after they spend it on what ever social entitlement program that gets them the most votes?

Our government is crooked, corrupt and currently being run my the most corrupt man ever to be called president. I do not see any reason to trust them with any part of my life.

Originally Posted by BE77 Pilot

The bottom line for me is I no longer trust our government. I do not trust them to look out for my future, my healthcare or anything else for that matter. And certainly not my money. They are incapable of doing anything right from delivering mail to issuing car license plates so why would I give them money all my life expecting to get it back after they spend it on what ever social entitlement program that gets them the most votes?

Our government is crooked, corrupt and currently being run my the most corrupt man ever to be called president. I do not see any reason to trust them with any part of my life.

Amen brother.

The math is why Obummer will have his handed to him at all 3 debates... It looks like this...

Originally Posted by RCWorks

The math is why Obummer will have his handed to him at all 3 debates... It looks like this...

LOL. That was pretty funny and a good use of pics.

Originally Posted by BE77 Pilot

The bottom line for me is I no longer trust our government. I do not trust them to look out for my future, my healthcare or anything else for that matter. And certainly not my money. They are incapable of doing anything right from delivering mail to issuing car license plates so why would I give them money all my life expecting to get it back after they spend it on what ever social entitlement program that gets them the most votes?

Our government is crooked, corrupt and currently being run my the most corrupt man ever to be called president. I do not see any reason to trust them with any part of my life.

present government or inclusive of govt's from previous administrations?

You don't trust our government? Really?

Have you been to other countries? Have you seen what they have for infrastructure?

Spend some time in China or India and you will quickly miss our roads, power grids and especially the EPA - yes the EPA. Forget about driving 65mph and limited access highways and expect brown-outs and super expensive electricity. But the pollution is the hardest thing to get used to, it takes weeks to get used to all the pollution. If you stay in Beijing above the 12th floor you will never see the ground.

Did I mention water and sewage? That's another thing you don't miss until you leave America. The line gets blurry between the two. Municipal sewage treatment is a good thing that you take for granted until you are exposed to open sewers being the norm. And the water comes from right where the sewage pours out.

And corruption, oh my goodness, if you think the American government is corrupt you should spend some time in India, Russia and Latin America. Corruption is right in your face there. Almost every public official is fully corrupt and any dealings you have with the government is little more than a bribery shakedown. I have to explain to the Indian and Russian employees of my company that they can't bribe police officers and that it is a major crime to offer them a bribe.

I'm not trying to pick on just China, Russia and India. The same could be said for most countries outside of Canada and Northern Europe - which have huge tax rates and socialized everything.

If you don't trust America, there are plenty of other options for you that have much less regulation. Why don't you give them a try?

Great post. We don't really realize how well we have it.

Originally Posted by stone_axe

You don't trust our government? Really?

Have you been to other countries? Have you seen what they have for infrastructure?

Spend some time in China or India and you will quickly miss our roads, power grids and especially the EPA - yes the EPA. Forget about driving 65mph and limited access highways and expect brown-outs and super expensive electricity. But the pollution is the hardest thing to get used to, it takes weeks to get used to all the pollution. If you stay in Beijing above the 12th floor you will never see the ground.

Did I mention water and sewage? That's another thing you don't miss until you leave America. The line gets blurry between the two. Municipal sewage treatment is a good thing that you take for granted until you are exposed to open sewers being the norm. And the water comes from right where the sewage pours out.

And corruption, oh my goodness, if you think the American government is corrupt you should spend some time in India, Russia and Latin America. Corruption is right in your face there. Almost every public official is fully corrupt and any dealings you have with the government is little more than a bribery shakedown. I have to explain to the Indian and Russian employees of my company that they can't bribe police officers and that it is a major crime to offer them a bribe.

I'm not trying to pick on just China, Russia and India. The same could be said for most countries outside of Canada and Northern Europe - which have huge tax rates and socialized everything.

If you don't trust America, there are plenty of other options for you that have much less regulation. Why don't you give them a try?

I think Obama was sandbagging and giving Romney enough rope to fuel the next two debates.

Romney's tax and abortion flip-flops are giving Obama more to work with.

Originally Posted by AbuSabri

Yecch! I can't believe you guys are arguing over something that tastes like bitter soap suds!

I drink Guiness

It tastes like sweet soap suds

Originally Posted by stone_axe

You don't trust our government? Really?

Have you been to other countries? Have you seen what they have for infrastructure?

Spend some time in China or India and you will quickly miss our roads, power grids and especially the EPA - yes the EPA. Forget about driving 65mph and limited access highways and expect brown-outs and super expensive electricity. But the pollution is the hardest thing to get used to, it takes weeks to get used to all the pollution. If you stay in Beijing above the 12th floor you will never see the ground.

Did I mention water and sewage? That's another thing you don't miss until you leave America. The line gets blurry between the two. Municipal sewage treatment is a good thing that you take for granted until you are exposed to open sewers being the norm. And the water comes from right where the sewage pours out.

And corruption, oh my goodness, if you think the American government is corrupt you should spend some time in India, Russia and Latin America. Corruption is right in your face there. Almost every public official is fully corrupt and any dealings you have with the government is little more than a bribery shakedown. I have to explain to the Indian and Russian employees of my company that they can't bribe police officers and that it is a major crime to offer them a bribe.

I'm not trying to pick on just China, Russia and India. The same could be said for most countries outside of Canada and Northern Europe - which have huge tax rates and socialized everything.

If you don't trust America, there are plenty of other options for you that have much less regulation. Why don't you give them a try?

So your ok with reducing the U.S. to the status of other holes around the world? That is about all that this Whitehouse occupant has been up to. Maybe you have not looked at the DoJ lately.

Originally Posted by RCWorks

So your ok with reducing the U.S. to the status of other holes around the world? That is about all that this Whitehouse occupant has been up to. Maybe you have not looked at the DoJ lately.

You guys - sheesh - get a passport and travel a bit - then you'd understand

Originally Posted by ENGINETORQUE

You guys - sheesh - get a passport and travel a bit - then you'd understand

I traveled a lot, this in the Whitehouse is a cluster of lawlessness, as is the crew he brought with him.

Originally Posted by Libelle201B

FDR is without a doubt the most liberal president we have had in recent history IMO, and to claim Obama is more liberal than FDR is laughable. Obama if anything is trying to preserve what FDR started ie the New Deal and it's work and social programs.

Obama is far more liberal than FDR. FDR was far more corrupt. Now I think that Obama would be proud to have that title too, but the nation learned from FDR and that probably won't happen ever again.