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Old Nov 07, 2009, 04:44 PM
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Yes please add an extra flight to the comp style task's. Finaly some one else asking for MORE flight's!


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Old Nov 07, 2009, 08:08 PM
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I think you've misunderstood. There are two rounds each for 7 minute and 10 minute contest style flights. Each of the four tasks consists of three flights. Total flights for 7 minute task set is 6 flights. Two sets of three flights. Same for 10 minute rounds. This will all be spelled out in the rules along with the flight windows for launching.
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Old Nov 07, 2009, 08:56 PM
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Yup, if your not sure, Read the TASK Discription! A brain fart on my part for sure.

Question: on the 100 inch landing tape, if you over shoot the 0 inch mark,by 1 inch or more the landing is void? All the other landing task's are to be within a set distance 3m,1.5m,1m,etc regardless of what direction the nose is to the center mark.
Not a big issue, just hate to fail the landing's cuz I was doing them wrong.

Let's get silver ver.6 locked down and work on gold. As the level's are to be reviewed at the 1 year mark ,we can tweek them at that time.


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Old Nov 07, 2009, 09:12 PM
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Just went back and read ver. 6 and it says 2 flight's where it is suppost to say round's. A typo error for sure


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Old Nov 08, 2009, 07:13 AM
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I will change it to rounds as it makes for less confusion. I'll do my best to get the rules done for the contest style so we can get Silver re-posted. As for landings. The landing is measured from the 100" point. The tapes usually have a grommet there so the tape swivels around the 100" mark. So to answer your question, no it wouldn't be a zero as the numbers actually represent a circle around the 100" point not a line to it. You pull the tape to the nose of the aircaft and then read the distance.
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Old Nov 08, 2009, 11:52 AM
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Another benefit of the program

I am pleased to see the give-and-take that is developing the Sprotsman's Program. I'd like to point out another benefit of the program. As many of the program's tasks required timed flights, there is an opportunity for participants to learn two more valuable soaring skills: using a person as a timer( a good timer is more than a talking stopwatch) and being a timer for another pilot (there's more to timing than punching a watch). Check out this forum & Thermal for discussions on the fine points of timing. Keep up the good work.
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Old Nov 08, 2009, 05:15 PM
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It also can act as a low pressure intro to soaring to someone that is not into RC. Anyone can run a stop watch and hold a tape measure. By assisting you on 5-10 minute flight's,they can catch the bug as well.


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Old Nov 08, 2009, 09:37 PM
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Launch window?

Steve,

Unless I missed it, I still don't see an answer to my question below. Unless some launch window parameters are given, the contest style tasks will be nothing more than ladders with all flights the same. I can just keep doing 7 or 10-minute flights until my points on my best flights meet the minimum. Even if launch windows aren't timed, we should at least specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.

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Have we abandoned the idea of having some control of the launch window? I just looked at version 4 and don't see anything to keep someone from scouting for good air before doing the official flights for the contest tasks.

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Old Nov 08, 2009, 10:27 PM
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Good point Tim. Would a 30 minute +- 2 minute's delay between flights be enuff?

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Old Nov 09, 2009, 06:43 AM
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Sorry I haven't been on much the past few days guys. The weather has improved a bit and so getting ready for winter has been the priority. Things should calm down a bit after today and I can get everything written up for Silver Level.
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Unless I missed it, I still don't see an answer to my question below. Unless some launch window parameters are given, the contest style tasks will be nothing more than ladders with all flights the same. I can just keep doing 7 or 10-minute flights until my points on my best flights meet the minimum. Even if launch windows aren't timed, we should at least specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
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Tim, 30 minutes was suggested earlier. The reasoning was to simulate waiting your turn between flight groups at a contest. A +/- "x" minutes to keep people from sandbagging is a good idea. The contest guys can give us the "usual launch window" I'm sure. Joe should even know since he does contests as well. And we will specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
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Old Nov 09, 2009, 07:04 PM
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That sounds great, Steve. I don't think the specifics of the launch timing rules are important, as long as there are some parameters. I was just concerned that with the effort to finalize the next stage this would be overlooked. I didn't see anything in the proposed Silver list nor in the Task Requirements. In fact, I didn't see anything in the Task Requirements referring to the contest format flights.

Keep up the good work!

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Old Nov 09, 2009, 07:52 PM
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Joe should even know since he does contests as well. And we will specify that the flights be consecutive and on the same day.
The 30 minutes is a good average. The actual time depends on the number of contestants and the CD. Not everybody gets their contest run by the great bunch of volanteers that the NATS has.

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Old Nov 10, 2009, 05:05 AM
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That sounds great, Steve. I don't think the specifics of the launch timing rules are important, as long as there are some parameters. I was just concerned that with the effort to finalize the next stage this would be overlooked. I didn't see anything in the proposed Silver list nor in the Task Requirements. In fact, I didn't see anything in the Task Requirements referring to the contest format flights.

Keep up the good work!

Tim
That's because we're just adding this style to the program.
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So ver 6 it is. Contest style will have 2 rounds of three flights each round, 1 point per second, -1 point for every second over the time, 100 points possible for landing (1 point per inch) and anything over 100" is "out" (no points), flight window is 30 minutes between flights +/- 2 minutes, all flights to be completed on the same day.
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Everything is on the web page now. See Silver Level and section 26 for the rules. Please check it out and let me know if I missed anything.
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Old Nov 10, 2009, 04:48 PM
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Steve,

Section 26 looks good, but I have a question.

By this:
"There is a flight window requiring 30 minutes between flights +/- 2 minutes"

Do you mean between flight start times? If it's not important, I would rather have flights START 30 minutes apart rather than measuring time between landing and the next launch. The way it's worded now leaves it open to interpretation.

Yes - sorry - I'm an engineer.

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Old Nov 11, 2009, 06:33 AM
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What's every one think? 30 minutes from launch time or landing time? Makes me no difference. I see good and bad in both ways. Let me know so I can get it nailed down. It's time to get on to Gold Level.
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