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Old Nov 18, 2012, 09:48 PM
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I said it backwards, but you got my point...
as in the stealing and robbing shouldn't be the argument if drugs are to be legal or illegal.
If you look at it from strictly a freedom of choice point of view, then yes. But if you are a leader of the Black community, you have to ask why so many Blacks are in prison for drug related non-violent crimes. That question should then lead you to question the validity of the War on Drugs.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 10:28 PM
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If you are a leader of the Black Community, then you also need to address why so many Blacks are in prison for violent crimes, then address why so many Black children grow up in single parent homes, why the Black Nuclear family is near non-existant in so many areas, why there are so many black fathers who bail and don't support their offspring, yadda, yadda.

In other words, if you are a leader of the Black Community, you need to take an honest look at the problems, and then get the Black Community to work and solve them. Once that is done, then the incarceration issues will relatively vanish.

Look at who inner city youth have as "role models"; rappers who espouse drugs, gang life, and misogyny, sports figures who are doping and running around like thugs...no Father around to knock some sense in them when needed....Mom has 4 other kids by 4 other men....

You wonder how so many Blacks end up in prison, I'm sometimes amazed the incarceration rate isn't higher. The problems facing the Black community are systemic, structural, and no one but the Black Community can fix them.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 10:34 PM
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Two traits prison inmates have most in common?

Over 90% were raised by single moms.

They are the population group in the US that tests highest for self esteem.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 10:39 PM
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Puts more black Americans behind bars than anything else. Why they continue to support a government and an administration that does so is beyond me.

http://thelibertarianrepublic.com/is...-drugs-racist/
So you think the GOP is more open to ending the war on drugs? If so, do you have any published GOP platform that supports your idea?
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 11:55 PM
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IMO legalizing or keeping drugs illegal shouldn't be a concern in deterring robbing and stealing. If we've an issue with robbing and stealing, maybe we need a harsher penalty for such crimes.
My guess is that you have never seen an addict up close.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 11:57 PM
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My guess is that you have never seen an addict up close.
Why is putting them in prison a good idea if their only crime is being addicted?
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:41 AM
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So you think the GOP is more open to ending the war on drugs? If so, do you have any published GOP platform that supports your idea?
Nope ... they're just as bad as the Democrats on this front. If Blacks blindly supported the GOP, I'd be just as mystified.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 01:25 AM
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Why is putting them in prison a good idea if their only crime is being addicted?
Go back and read then get back to me. You are or did not read the previous posts.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:50 AM
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Politicians should not be able to tell people what they can put in their body, who they can marry ETC.. The "war on drugs" is simply wrong. The DEA is more corrupt and immoral than the narcotics organizations they are attacking.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 09:38 AM
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not my words......... but from Gunny Freedom of...... Liberty forest

What Is Liberty?

A practical guide on the meaning of Liberty.

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Liberty Is:

Self Possession
Self Direction
Self Determination


Self Possession

I Own My Own Body
I Decide What To Eat & Drink
I Control My Own Healthcare
I Am Free To Defend Myself
Nobody May Own Me


Self Direction

I Choose My Own Employment
I Choose My Own Activities
I Travel As I Please
I Do Not Need Permission
I Associate With Whom I Please
I Do What I Want - Nobody May Make Me Do What I Do Not Want To Do


Self Determination

I Keep What I Earn, It Is Mine
I Alone Decide My Faith
I Alone Decide My Education
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:05 AM
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Politicians should not be able to tell people what they can put in their body, who they can marry ETC.
Isn't it funny that the people who would say "I can chose whom ever I want to marry" will also tell you what you can and cannot put into your own bodies.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:25 AM
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I wounder the war on drugs,, After the implimation of Ocare
will your Dr Rat you out to the feds, if you fail a Drug test?
Then what? What if the Dr. does not, and a Fed plant researches your tests.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:28 AM
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I wounder the war on drugs,, After the implimation of Ocare
will your Dr Rat you out to the feds, if you fail a Drug test?
Then what? What if the Dr. does not, and a Fed plant researches your tests.
Couple that with the fact that under Obama the DEA has raided 4 times as many Marijuana dispensaries in 4 years as the Bush administration did in 8 years and it starts getting a little creepy.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:35 AM
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Why is putting them in prison a good idea if their only crime is being addicted?
Are you missing your glasses? Go back about 3 posts and get back to me.

I never said make the punishments harder, TRY READING.

The only thing I would say is if someone is on what would have been a controlled substance and it results in a death... that person gets "The Chair". With freedom comes responsibility...
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:55 AM
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Two traits prison inmates have most in common?

Over 90% were raised by single moms.

They are the population group in the US that tests highest for self esteem.
I would have to call foul on that they test high for self-esteem. Perhaps intelligence within their peer group, but not self-esteem.
Generally addiction and bad decisions are directly related to self-esteem, and self-esteem is generally built within the functional family unit, so I can't imagine anyone in prison would truly have high self-esteem. That doesn't mean they can't bs a test to show they have high self-esteem simply because they are so narcissistic.
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