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Old Oct 07, 2012, 04:16 AM
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full size helicopter mechanical mixing question

how is the cyclic and collective mixed on full size (passenger) helicopters
I can't find this information on the web

my best guess is
the collective is input to a plate that is raised or lowered mounted to this plate are
cranks or cams controlled by drive shafts from the cyclic that tilt the swash plate
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Old Oct 07, 2012, 08:26 AM
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'..can't find this information on the web' ?

Have you tried a Google on - How a helicopter works - loads of information. Also the Helicopter forums here have a lot of information on how it's achieved on models.
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Old Oct 07, 2012, 05:05 PM
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google it the first place I go for any thing
on and off I must have spent 30 hours looking for this

rc helicopters it's simple addition subtraction after the trig that converts 2 axis to 3 servo positions
on the 4servo 90deg same thing addition subtraction with out the trig
on the 3servo 90deg swash plate models there is a servo the raises and lowers the main shaft that's NOT practical on a full size aircraft
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Old Oct 07, 2012, 06:14 PM
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there's different setups on different helicopters. Generally the whole of the swashplate is lifted by the collective, and tilted by the cyclic, all mechanical mixing being earlier in the control chain. On some small helicopters the swashplate only controls the cyclic while the collective control rod runs through the center of the shaft and is mixed on the rotor mast. There's no "one size fits all" solution
[edit] this is yet another setup on a small homebuilt: http://dc441.4shared.com/doc/fMOp0kkR/preview.html
No swashplate, both cyclic and collective input is through a rod running through the main rotor shaft. The base is connected with a spherical joint to the control rod for the collective, while the cyclic operates by moving sideways the collective pushrod. This causes the rod in the rotor head to tilt as well as slide, and carries collective and cyclic inputs directly to the blades.
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Old Oct 07, 2012, 11:56 PM
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Take a look at this:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...beBo105_cc.jpg

Sorry for the german language. The three pushrods are: (from. Left to right)
Pitch
Collective
Bank
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Old Oct 12, 2012, 09:49 PM
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Rob: You need one control input into a rotor system for each axis you want to control. So for pitch, roll, and collective you will always have three inputs to a swashplate. Where those inputs are on the swashplate varies based on all the engineering compromises made in designing the aircraft. Each input may or may not be dedicated to one axis.

On many light helicopters with simple rotor systems(like an underslung/semirigid/teetering rotor) the three control inputs are direct and independent to the swashplate. You can follow the control rod from the collective up to the rotor and see it evenly raise the swashplate. You can follow the pitch control rod and see it move the swashplate(the direction the swashplate moves for pitch/roll depends on which direction the rotor spins and the type of rotor system). And same for roll.

On heavier helicopters the controls are often all mixed together. Mixing is done mechanically with direct controls and electronically if the aircraft is fly-by-wire. The controls are mixed to make flying easier. For example, increasing collective could increase tail rotor pitch to reduce the pilot workload required to maintain yaw control.

So the answer to your question is that there is not a single answer. Were you wondering about a specific helicopter?
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