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Jantar2A · Feb 19, 2012, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DS Diva

Hello guys

Yes, we are too! On 4. April to 16. April, we will make the air unsafe in California! Be prepared!

Spencer: Are you on the 4th April in the evening in the shop? We would like to meet you!

what we bring to you by switzerland or Germany? Let us know.

Until now, we are pleased
Patrick & Jochen

Great, it's good to know when you guy's will be out there.
I'll be sure to be out and fly with you guy's again.
Can't wait to see Patrick do his wind dance again.
see you guy's soon

Nick

AvB · Feb 19, 2012, 12:26 PM

Excellent Patrick and Jochen. Looking forward to see you guys on the hills again!

sll914 · Feb 19, 2012, 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DS Diva

Hello guys

Yes, we are too! On 4. April to 16. April, we will make the air unsafe in California! Be prepared!

Spencer: Are you on the 4th April in the evening in the shop? We would like to meet you!

what we bring to you by switzerland or Germany? Let us know.

Until now, we are pleased
Patrick & Jochen

PM me your flight info and I will meet you there. I wasn't sure if I would still have my shop by then but it is looking more and more like I will so it is no problem. Looking forward to your arrival. Hopefully we will get some BIG winds this year!

Please bring a Porsche Carrera GT from Germany for me with a glovebox full of Swiss chocolate!

Spencer

joe manor · Feb 19, 2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by sll914

Please bring a Porsche Carrera GT from Germany for me with a glovebox full of Swiss chocolate!

Spencer

I'll take one too please.

ALEX HEWSON · Feb 19, 2012, 06:40 PM

I arrive at 12:55pm on the 4th, what time do you arrive Patrick and Jochen?

DS Diva · 06:47 AM

We arrive at 4:40 pm in LAX on the 4th April

I look forward jupiiiii

who would like a Porsche? No problem!

myschlot · Feb 20, 2012, 09:16 AM

What colors do you want

Pink and kaki are very cheap

Whant you the porsche in 1:10 or 1: 50

1000MPH · Feb 20, 2012, 10:24 AM

Last year Marcus had a nice little car cigarette lighter adapter that I can't find in the u.s.
Maybe one of our international friends throw a few of them in their luggage.
Here's a link...
http://www.phoenixmp.com/acatalog/Ra...cessories.html

sll914 · Feb 20, 2012, 10:43 AM

Stu,
I think that might be the same one I've bought at Radio Shack...?

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=3875401

and I prefer 1:1on the Porsche and 15:1 on the chocolate ;o)

Jantar2A · Feb 20, 2012, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000MPH

Last year Marcus had a nice little car cigarette lighter adapter that I can't find in the u.s.
Maybe one of our international friends throw a few of them in their luggage.
Here's a link...
http://www.phoenixmp.com/acatalog/Ra...cessories.html

I bought a banana plug cig. lighter like that at radio shack.

myschlot · Feb 20, 2012, 10:48 AM

How many do you whant

jochen

bluzharp · Feb 20, 2012, 10:51 AM

I have the Radio Shack version as well. Very handy item.

1000MPH · Feb 20, 2012, 11:38 AM

I never saw the radio shack one, but still, it isn't as cool

AvB · Feb 26, 2012, 05:33 AM

I rang a few more signmakers and scored a guy locally who has hundreds of sheets of 5mm coreflute in stock and the best price too ($15 per sheet).

So last night I got stuck into it and finished it today. Not a 5 minute job, but not hard. I will attach all the photos to show a build log but here are a few points additionally:

1) It's light ... my finished box is 5.5kg. That's half the weight of my ply box with timber beading in the corners.

2) You can 3M 77 the overlaps. Works extremely well. Then it's all held in place while you rivet it.

3) Where the ends flaps are folded back and another piece stuck to the inside, it is INCREDIBLY strong.

4) A heat gun helps with bending some of the cross-grain bends that want to spring back.

5) There are many possible ways to do the lid, but I riveted a lid to the excess edge on one side, which makes that corner very strong. For the other corner, (ie the opening side of the lid) I ran a bead of timber under the excess flap, and I'm screwing the lid into that . So both sides are very strong.

5) I guess there are a few key toughness requirements: A) resistance to impacts. B) Resistance to being squashed, and C) Resistance to being punctured by thin sharp things! I have to quickly point out that the wood box wins absolutely hands down on A, B and C. So much so that I'm not entirely 100% sure in my mind that I'll use the coreflute one (Yes, even after all that work!).

One layer of coreflute isn't really enough. Too flimsy, easily squashed, easy to puncture. So I cut a few squares of extra coreflute and laid them inside the walls, to make it double thickness ... but also running the grain at 90 degrees. Like the ends, these sections are hugely strong. I stopped riveting them all because they seem to stick so well ... if they show signs of coming off in the next 5 weeks I will rivet them. As it is, I can sit on the box and it doesn't deform. But I am also considering buying another sheet, removing those extra squares and simply lining all 4 sides fully with a second layer. It would only bring it to 6.5kg or so, which is still excellent.

Larrikin · Feb 26, 2012, 05:51 AM

You've excelled yourself again ... what a great build log. Thanks for taking the time to post.
D.

Feb 20, 2012, 06:41 AM	#156
DS Diva Registered User Joined Jan 2010 48 Posts	We arrive at 4:40 pm in LAX on the 4th April I look forward jupiiiii who would like a Porsche? No problem!
	Last edited by DS Diva; Feb 20, 2012 at 06:47 AM.

Feb 20, 2012, 09:16 AM	#157
myschlot Registered User Germany, BY, Weidenberg Joined Apr 2011 61 Posts	Porsche What colors do you want Pink and kaki are very cheap Whant you the porsche in 1:10 or 1: 50

Feb 20, 2012, 10:48 AM	#161
myschlot Registered User Germany, BY, Weidenberg Joined Apr 2011 61 Posts	4 mm Banana adapter How many do you whant jochen

Feb 26, 2012, 05:33 AM	#164
AvB Wind, hill, ... I'm keen ... Australia, QLD, Woody Point Joined Nov 2006 3,458 Posts	Coreflute box I rang a few more signmakers and scored a guy locally who has hundreds of sheets of 5mm coreflute in stock and the best price too ($15 per sheet). So last night I got stuck into it and finished it today. Not a 5 minute job, but not hard. I will attach all the photos to show a build log but here are a few points additionally: 1) It's light ... my finished box is 5.5kg. That's half the weight of my ply box with timber beading in the corners. 2) You can 3M 77 the overlaps. Works extremely well. Then it's all held in place while you rivet it. 3) Where the ends flaps are folded back and another piece stuck to the inside, it is INCREDIBLY strong. 4) A heat gun helps with bending some of the cross-grain bends that want to spring back. 5) There are many possible ways to do the lid, but I riveted a lid to the excess edge on one side, which makes that corner very strong. For the other corner, (ie the opening side of the lid) I ran a bead of timber under the excess flap, and I'm screwing the lid into that . So both sides are very strong. 5) I guess there are a few key toughness requirements: A) resistance to impacts. B) Resistance to being squashed, and C) Resistance to being punctured by thin sharp things! I have to quickly point out that the wood box wins absolutely hands down on A, B and C. So much so that I'm not entirely 100% sure in my mind that I'll use the coreflute one (Yes, even after all that work!). One layer of coreflute isn't really enough. Too flimsy, easily squashed, easy to puncture. So I cut a few squares of extra coreflute and laid them inside the walls, to make it double thickness ... but also running the grain at 90 degrees. Like the ends, these sections are hugely strong. I stopped riveting them all because they seem to stick so well ... if they show signs of coming off in the next 5 weeks I will rivet them. As it is, I can sit on the box and it doesn't deform. But I am also considering buying another sheet, removing those extra squares and simply lining all 4 sides fully with a second layer. It would only bring it to 6.5kg or so, which is still excellent. Images View all Images in thread Views: 95 Views: 90 Just a refresher - go to a fastener shop and get these large flanged peel rivets (shown here next to a normal rivet). And get some washers that slide nicely over the rivet shaft. They go on the inside, so they form a nice flange too and stop the rivet tea Views: 94 Mark it all out. My box is 2100 mm long and the sides are 370 x 370mm. So we can only get 3 sides from one sheet. We'll make the lid later. Draw the shape up in the centre, and leave the excess bits on. Views: 99 Cut out from each corner point at 45 degrees. But make each cut about 2mm offset away from the actual corner point, because the inside will crush a bit making it undersize. Views: 93 Use a roller to press into the fold lines. This one is the thing that's used to push the plastic "spline" into flyscreen windows. Do every bend line thoroughly. Sometimes it will cut through one side ... don't worry. Views: 102 Note that the excess along the edge is left there ... you'll need those later. If necessary trim to about 60mm width. Views: 101 Hold it together with some tape. Cut a couple of squares from the second sheet, to fit perfectly inside the ends. Views: 95 Spray the insides of the mitred end overlaps with 3M 77, and also one side of each of those squares. Views: 100 After about 5 mins, jam the square piece into the corners tightly before folding the ends in onto it. Views: 101 I was amazed how strong the end became. Views: 101 I stood the box on its end on the floor and tapped all over the end piece with a rubber mallet to get the glue to stick well. Views: 95 Both ends done. Progress. Views: 96 Drill holes, and rivet. Views: 102 Lookin' good Vern. Views: 98 Inside. Views: 94 Now to start on the lid ... cut a piece from the other sheet, big enough to overlap 3 sides by 60mm. 3M the inside of one excess edge on the box, and also a same-size strip on your lid piece. Views: 93 Center it over the box, slide it hard into the corner, and tack it down. Rivet each end. Tap along with the mallet and rivet along the full length. Views: 99 The corner pieces that are just hanging want to spring back, but a heat gun, like the Men in Black, wipes their memory. Views: 95 Looks great. Shuts nicely. Views: 98 But at the moment, the open lip of the box can easily be bowed in, even when the lid's on. We need to tie the lid to the box lip, to make it a solid structure. I scratched my head for a long time on this one. Views: 102 Tape the box open again, and lay on its side. Views: 99 I decided to fold the excess lip flat and run a wood bead under it, so I could screw the lid down onto it. Views: 95 Got the old table saw out. This was given to me and is very handy! Views: 99 The plywood strip goes here, and fold the excess bit down onto it. Views: 97 Screwing it all in place. I used button head screws alternately on the top and side. Views: 102 Then to hold the lid down, I used longer plaster screws with washers Views: 100 Coming together. With the lid on it felt really strong, but the sides were flexy and if I sat on the box, it started to crush. Views: 95 So I got busy cutting squares out and fitted them around the sides, bottom and under the lid. Views: 95 3M spray drying on square bits. Views: 101 Reinforcements in place. I didn't have enough to do a full double lining, but am considering ripping these back out and getting another sheet to fully double line the whole box. (Cross-grained) Views: 112 Even so it's strong now. I can sit on it and it weighs 5.5kg. I have some small castor wheels to put under one end, and a rope handle for the other end.

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Feb 19, 2012, 12:26 PM	#152
AvB Wind, hill, ... I'm keen ... Australia, QLD, Woody Point Joined Nov 2006 3,458 Posts	Excellent Patrick and Jochen. Looking forward to see you guys on the hills again!

Feb 19, 2012, 06:40 PM	#155
ALEX HEWSON DS Addict Christchurch, New Zealand Joined Jul 2005 3,151 Posts	I arrive at 12:55pm on the 4th, what time do you arrive Patrick and Jochen?

Feb 20, 2012, 10:24 AM	#158
1000MPH fly foam fast USA, NV, Reno Joined May 2003 3,099 Posts	Last year Marcus had a nice little car cigarette lighter adapter that I can't find in the u.s. Maybe one of our international friends throw a few of them in their luggage. Here's a link... http://www.phoenixmp.com/acatalog/Ra...cessories.html

Feb 20, 2012, 10:43 AM	#159
sll914 Registered User Joined Oct 2003 1,008 Posts	Stu, I think that might be the same one I've bought at Radio Shack...? http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...ductId=3875401 and I prefer 1:1on the Porsche and 15:1 on the chocolate ;o)

Feb 20, 2012, 10:51 AM	#162
bluzharp setting CG with ceiling fan on USA, CA, Bakersfield Joined Apr 2010 504 Posts	I have the Radio Shack version as well. Very handy item.

Feb 20, 2012, 11:38 AM	#163
1000MPH fly foam fast USA, NV, Reno Joined May 2003 3,099 Posts	I never saw the radio shack one, but still, it isn't as cool

Feb 26, 2012, 05:51 AM	#165
Larrikin Everything's a compromise Brisbane Joined Jan 2005 1,101 Posts	You've excelled yourself again ... what a great build log. Thanks for taking the time to post. D.