HobbyKing.com New Products Flash Sale
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Apr 08, 2014, 09:40 AM
Registered User
United Kingdom, England, Enfield
Joined Jan 2012
536 Posts
Help!
Wood veneer keeps lifting?

The boat was all sanded down and looking good, then I applied some red mahogany stain and it was fine but as soon as I applied sealer, this happened and it doesn't look like it's going to shrink back flat again.

What am I doing wrong and is there anyway to save it?
BenVK is offline Find More Posts by BenVK
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Apr 08, 2014, 10:14 AM
Registered User
Tim B.'s Avatar
Oakland Ca.
Joined Aug 2009
8,015 Posts
Perhaps the sealer attacked the adhesive that held the veneer down ?
Tim B. is offline Find More Posts by Tim B.
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 10:35 AM
Cheif Bottlewasher
more coffee's Avatar
Canada, NS, Sydney Mines
Joined Sep 2005
2,985 Posts
Your sealer wasn't water based was it ?

in return

Your glue wasn't water based was it?

Id be looking at what water and moisture may have had to do with it ..


Veneer is funny.
more coffee is offline Find More Posts by more coffee
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: Hi!
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 11:01 AM
Registered User
United Kingdom, England, Enfield
Joined Jan 2012
536 Posts
I bought the boat 80% finished so I don't know what glue was used but yes, the sealer I applied is water based.

I don't know what to do now. Seems that everything I try just makes it worse.
BenVK is offline Find More Posts by BenVK
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 11:17 AM
Boaters are nice people.
Sneek, Netherlands.
Joined May 2004
4,502 Posts
Hi Ben,

That's bad...

On what surface is the veneer glued?

Reason I ask is that, when everything is dried '150%' again, you can use a syringe with a very fine needle to fill the cracks in (and under the) veneer with a suitable glue, wrap clingwrap around the repaired patch and tape the surface as flat as possible (wrapping string around it works too).

But, you'll have to know for sure the glue will not attack the surface under the veneer, otherwise sealing it under clingwrap will make things worse.

Regards, Jan.
pompebled is online now Find More Posts by pompebled
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 11:36 AM
Registered User
United Kingdom, England, Enfield
Joined Jan 2012
536 Posts
It's that same amati riva aquarama boat again Jan, the wood is glued to a high density foam core.
I wish I never bought it now, it's a nightmare.

I don't mind painting the hull instead of having the wood showing but I can't even get that far with all these cracks and blisters..
BenVK is offline Find More Posts by BenVK
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 01:36 PM
Registered User
Joined Apr 2013
66 Posts
Ahhh so it was you that won that Riva! If you want to sell it let me know
TomHugill is offline Find More Posts by TomHugill
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 08, 2014, 03:39 PM
Boaters are nice people.
Sneek, Netherlands.
Joined May 2004
4,502 Posts
Hi Ben,

On foam I'd use epoxy or PU woodglue, the PU will foam a bit so it needs to be held down during the curing proces.

Regards, Jan.
pompebled is online now Find More Posts by pompebled
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 09, 2014, 02:28 AM
Registered User
United Kingdom, England, Enfield
Joined Jan 2012
536 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by TomHugill View Post
Ahhh so it was you that won that Riva! If you want to sell it let me know
If you'd have come round the house yesterday Tom, I'd have given you this bloody boat for free! :

I'll try and save it with epoxy, thanks Jan.
BenVK is offline Find More Posts by BenVK
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 09, 2014, 06:55 AM
Registered User
Joined Apr 2013
66 Posts
Doh! Fingers crossed for the epoxy!
TomHugill is offline Find More Posts by TomHugill
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 09, 2014, 09:17 AM
Cheif Bottlewasher
more coffee's Avatar
Canada, NS, Sydney Mines
Joined Sep 2005
2,985 Posts
hold on ..read a bit

http://home.howstuffworks.com/home-i...ure-veneer.htm

http://bunchesofjoy.com/2011/07/07/p...eered-dresser/
more coffee is offline Find More Posts by more coffee
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: Hi!
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 09, 2014, 11:15 AM
Boaters are nice people.
Sneek, Netherlands.
Joined May 2004
4,502 Posts
Unfortunately Ben doesn't have a solid underground; the veneer seems to be glued onto the foam the hull is made of...

Any appilcation of heat could end in disaster.

If it were my hull, I'd try PU glue, which will foam a bit and needs clamping down, but will most likely bond better to the foam underneath.

Regards, Jan.
pompebled is online now Find More Posts by pompebled
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2014, 03:49 AM
Registered User
Mike-A's Avatar
Sweden
Joined Oct 2002
782 Posts
Sanding it down level and then applying .5mm thick planking might be a good option. It applies very easily with CA as there is almost no tension as you bend the plank. In essence, you would be reapplying a new veneer... It is not hard to do and would go fast. You would then have a nice wood surface after this. Don't give up. You could have a show stopper on your hands...
Mike-A is offline Find More Posts by Mike-A
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2014, 06:59 AM
Registered User
United Kingdom, England, Enfield
Joined Jan 2012
536 Posts
Thanks but I don't want to add another layer of veneer, I just know I'd mess it up!

I have some ideas on how to save it but have a question about staining the veneer first.

I've now sanded the hull yet again and tried to apply the same stain I used before but it's dried very patchy this time with areas darker than others. Is that because I haven't sanded it smooth enough yet? I'm using 120 grit but haven't spent that long on it this time because I was getting seriously bored with all this sanding!
BenVK is offline Find More Posts by BenVK
Reply With Quote
Old Apr 10, 2014, 02:53 PM
Cheif Bottlewasher
more coffee's Avatar
Canada, NS, Sydney Mines
Joined Sep 2005
2,985 Posts
It could be that , the grain is saturated in some area's and the stain didn't penetrate.
or
the adhesive used penetrated up into the grain ,and now the stain wont penetrate.

At this point my friend like you I would be scratching my head , but I think sanding more is only going to make the veneer thinner.. and your going to get more hard spots.

If you truly don't want to take a chance on more veneer.
Id would maybe take it to a furniture restorer, seems to be thousands over there, atleast that's what tv seems to project.

A person with more experience ,having their hands directly on your model ,may well offer you a better out.
more coffee is offline Find More Posts by more coffee
RCG Plus Member
Latest blog entry: Hi!
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Category Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question how long do you keep your wood clamped? Higgins909 The Builders Workshop 7 Oct 15, 2013 09:10 PM
Discussion Wood Veneer Mike Scott Vendor Talk 2 Nov 07, 2007 01:32 PM
Discussion Finishing wood veneer wings? MooSey-UK Slope 11 Oct 31, 2007 09:20 PM
Wood veneer crashbuilder Slope 14 Aug 08, 2005 01:04 PM
Veneer wood working question Steven DiStasio Life, The Universe, and Politics 17 May 14, 2005 11:21 PM