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Old Feb 03, 2013, 09:06 PM
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Cool, thanks guys. Understood on where to measure now.

Though "geez", why answer if it bugs you so much? Am I trippin? Nonetheless I appreciate the help.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 12:24 AM
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Kicked up the throws on my dual rates to 100 % on High rates now my SU31 rolls like crazy and the blenders are looking good too

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Old Feb 04, 2013, 08:16 AM
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Cool, thanks guys. Understood on where to measure now.

Though "geez", why answer if it bugs you so much? Am I trippin? Nonetheless I appreciate the help.

Sorry, now even more confusion. "Geez" generated by being upset with myself for not being clearer or possibly having misinterpreted/misunderstood your question? It was directed at me, not you? I read the question several times and thought I understood it, but obviously did not.

Mental note to self: stop using "geez"! Can't have anyone "trippin" over anything I've got to say!
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Sorry, now even more confusion. "Geez" generated by being upset with myself for not being clearer or possibly having misinterpreted/misunderstood your question? It was directed at me, not you? I read the question several times and thought I understood it, but obviously did not.

Mental note to self: stop using "geez"! Can't have anyone "trippin" over anything I've got to say!
You guys are thinking too much. Just throw that plane in the air and enjoy!
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 12:32 PM
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My hangar of 20-30 planes haven't had any of them checked for control surface travel with the manual. While I won't say this is the way it should be done, I've got a computer radio with dual rates so I set 2 ranges of rates and just go fly and be ready to switch rates as needed on that maiden. Most of my planes are hand launchers so that make it extra exciting

So...since these tend to be 3D planes I'd say set up for max mechanical travel (for those wild maneuvers) and use end point adjustment and expo for your flying style.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 01:40 PM
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Thanks for the help ahicks! Sorry man, I took it the wrong way. It threw me off for a second, because it's like I was wasting someone's time. Sometimes communication doesn't translate well over text on a pc. Absolutely my apologies.

"Mental note to self: stop using "geez"! Can't have anyone "trippin" over anything I've got to say!"

HA .


VinceTT, I agree .

Dude109, It's my first 3d plane and I'd rather take a safe route first. Once I feel out how it flies I'm sure I will want max travel. I will definitely have a couple lower rates programmed in just in case on the maiden. I guess it's a slight fear of the unexpected.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 01:49 PM
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I agree that setting the control surface up by worrying too much about what the manual says is probably not necessary. I usually set up dual rates and expo at about 50% throw for low rates and 75% throw high raters to start, then work up from there once I get used to the airplane.

In the end I set high rates to 125% - 150% by adjusting the end points, and set the low rates to whatever seems right for just sport aerobatic flight

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Old Feb 04, 2013, 01:59 PM
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 02:00 PM
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Cool, thanks wolfwinde. That's exactly what I'm trying to do is just get used to the plane first, at least putting it in the air and seeing how it feels. Waiting on batteries to arrive.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 02:21 PM
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I agree that setting the control surface up by worrying too much about what the manual says is probably not necessary. I usually set up dual rates and expo at about 50% throw for low rates and 75% throw high raters to start, then work up from there once I get used to the airplane.

In the end I set high rates to 125% - 150% by adjusting the end points, and set the low rates to whatever seems right for just sport aerobatic flight

Wolfe
Yup set up about the same here. Well maybe not so extreme on the end points! One thing I do a little different. I do cheat a little on low rate with full up elevator set so the plane won't snap/stall. Awesome "go to" reference point for harriers and other high alpha stuff. Almost like cheating? I set the elevator the same on everything I fly. Wing loading makes no difference! Nothing will ruin a day like dropping a wing on short final with a balsa plane. Makes no difference if it's a warbird, sport or a 3D plane... ANY plane can be set like that. Cheap insurance for those "off" days....
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 03:19 PM
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Actually, I have a DX8 so I can program 3 sets of rates/expo. On most planes I set up as follows to start..

low rate = 70% throw/25% expo
mid rate = 90% throw/35% expo
high rate = 110% throw/45% expo

exeptions are these....

3D plane - 50% throw low rate to start
elevator - I also set it just below "snap" on low and mid rates

I don't change end points unless I want to go past the 110% throw - then I mess with end points.

My max set up on a 3d plane is 150% throw and 75% expo. I have to really be in the mood for that and don't so it often since I m not a very skilled 3D pilot at this point

Another exception is that I will often back down on the rudder settings with a lot less expo so I don't have to move the throttle/rudder stick so far to get lots of rudder. Depends on the plane and how I want to fly her. I still have a lot of trouble keeping constant throttle if I have to move the rudder stick too far.

Wolfe
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 03:30 PM
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Dude109, It's my first 3d plane and I'd rather take a safe route first. Once I feel out how it flies I'm sure I will want max travel. I will definitely have a couple lower rates programmed in just in case on the maiden. I guess it's a slight fear of the unexpected.
In the end, it's your plane so do what you feel is best. I wouldn't recommend my route to everyone but I will admit that my hand launch maidens are more exciting...probably shortened my lifespan by a few days whenever I fly a new plane

I've got a Mini Malibu and its my 1st 3D plane. I found it to be very easy to fly compared to all of my other planes. Sounds weird to say a 3D plane is a relaxing plane but they have to be much more stable than scale planes in order for you to do those 3D moves. So don't worry too much, you'll enjoy your maiden.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 04:07 PM
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In the end, it's your plane so do what you feel is best. I wouldn't recommend my route to everyone but I will admit that my hand launch maidens are more exciting...probably shortened my lifespan by a few days whenever I fly a new plane

I've got a Mini Malibu and its my 1st 3D plane. I found it to be very easy to fly compared to all of my other planes. Sounds weird to say a 3D plane is a relaxing plane but they have to be much more stable than scale planes in order for you to do those 3D moves. So don't worry too much, you'll enjoy your maiden.
Thanks for the advice and encouragement.
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Old Feb 04, 2013, 05:53 PM
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Bahhhh - I crashed my Swift again today - second time in a week - was doing eye level figure eights with a half roll underneath at the crossover point to change directions and missed one. Broke the nose off again - should be a fairly easy fix

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Old Feb 04, 2013, 07:48 PM
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Darn, that's too bad! Maybe slow that figure 8 down a little? ;^)

One of these days this northerner is going to be flying much more in the winter months... Retired, and finding fewer and fewer reasons not to....
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