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Old May 18, 2014, 07:18 PM
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Non-DLG that performs like a DLG?

This may not be the place for this question, but I'm looking for a 2-meter (or larger) plane that flies just like a DLG. All of the non-DLG planes I own are RES and I've really taken a fancy to the way my DLGs fly. I love the sharp turns and the total control you have over the plane during flight. But I've never had a full-house ship to compare it to. My RES planes just seem to lack the same sort of instant-control that my DLGs have. They tend to wallow in the turns and are just a bit slow to respond in general.

Do "normal" full-house planes fly just like DLGs? Or am I looking for something else? Not having others around here to "borrow" their planes is a real limitation for me. And I'm not about to start buying planes just to see how they fly. That's what this forum is for, right?

Anyway, I'd love to hear some suggestions for larger-sized planes that I can launch with my Hi-Start but still fly similar to my DLGs.
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Old May 18, 2014, 07:21 PM
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My brother has a 2M Sprite that he says flies just like a DLG.

http://www.kennedycomposites.com/sprite.htm

My ~3M Onyx-L flies nothing like a DLG, you can really "feel" the weight of the wings
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Old May 18, 2014, 07:44 PM
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The Thermal Dancer is the only ship I've flow that handles just like a big DLG. I'll bet a new supra at only 58oz. would do well also.
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Old May 18, 2014, 07:47 PM
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BTW Drew, If you are interested in attending a "low key" DLG contest we are having one next weekend about 40 minutes north of Toronto at the COGG field.
Google maps says it is a bit over 2 hours from Buffalo. (Not including getting across the border)


The contest is on Saturday May 24. All you need is AMA to fly in it.
PM me if you are interested and I can send you directions.

SOGGI field is closer to you (Hamilton area), but they mainly fly TD and ALES.
We might be able to arrange to get together there some weekend.

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Old May 18, 2014, 07:50 PM
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A longer wing span will have more inertia and naturally take longer to respond. But, my Supras are very responsive...much more so than a RES. None of that move the stick and wait. If you keep the airspeed up they turn quickly, slow them down and they can bite. The current generation airfoils need air flow to work. Also, I have climbed them out to get away from "DLG launch" heights too many times to recount. BTW, they both weigh in the low 60's, you don't have to have a sub 60 ounce unlimited ship for it to be responsive.
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Old May 18, 2014, 08:37 PM
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Ok, so far: Thermal Dancer, Supra, Sprite. Great. Keep 'em coming.


Pat: PM sent.
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Old May 18, 2014, 10:11 PM
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The PCM Taser seems like what you're talking about. SoaringUSA.com has em.

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Old May 18, 2014, 10:14 PM
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I'm currently building an ArtHobby Serena with the hope of it flying like a larger DLG. I know what you're saying about the precision and "sharpness" of the way DLGs fly.

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Old May 18, 2014, 10:43 PM
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Ill vote for this http://www.arthobby.com/index.php?pa...ry=32&item=223

100 inches and I think the one I had weighed like 30 oz RTF or something crazy low like that.
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Old May 18, 2014, 11:52 PM
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Ill vote for this http://www.arthobby.com/index.php?pa...ry=32&item=223

100 inches and I think the one I had weighed like 30 oz RTF or something crazy low like that.

I have a Thermic. It's about 27 oz. RTF. It does NOT fly like a DLG. In fact, it's one of those gliders that I referred to as "wallowing" in the turns.

I'm really looking for suggestions from folks who have actually FLOWN these planes, not just picking them off website photos.
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Old May 19, 2014, 12:04 AM
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Old May 19, 2014, 12:31 AM
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To be anything like a DLG it must have very low wing loading.
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Old May 19, 2014, 12:38 AM
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Oh.
Didn't mean to sound gruff, but I've been misled more than once trying to guess at how a plane might perform based on manufacturer's claims and sales pitches.

That being said, your suggestion of the Taser seems like a good one so far. Fact is, the Taser is apparently billed as being developed as a "large DLG". It also has flaperons (can be also made with flaps/ailerons separately). At an AUW of around 17 oz., it's also ridiculously light. Of course, it comes with a hefty price tag to boot.

http://www.pcm.at/english/F5J/ (older version, electric)

Review: http://flying4nature.com/2013/04/14/...ed-pcm-review/
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Old May 19, 2014, 09:50 AM
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After reading a bit more about the Taser and drooling over the quality of the workmanship, I'm struggling to keep myself from hitting the "Add to Cart" button too quickly. The price is throwing me off a bit.

I guess I'd like to get some more suggestions before making a commitment. But from the video reviews of the Taser, it certainly does seem to be what I'm looking for. Quick, agile, smooth, lightweight, and penetrates well. Aside from the price tag, I'm wondering what the downsides are...
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Old May 19, 2014, 11:03 AM
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I'm really looking for suggestions from folks who have actually FLOWN these planes
Drew,

Welcome to the interweb.


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