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Old Dec 04, 2015, 03:25 PM
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looking for a byron p-51 fuselage to make a mold off of it

was wondering if anyone would like to loan a clean Byron p-51 fuselage to make a mold off of it.i have all the material to do it.i don't know if there are any copyrights,but I really don't care.this plane needs to be more available in my opinion...anyways,thanks
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Old Dec 05, 2015, 07:30 AM
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A year ago, there was a guy that wanted to start cutting out of production kits. It wasn't long before lawyers became involved.
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Old Dec 05, 2015, 07:57 AM
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A year ago, there was a guy that wanted to start cutting out of production kits. It wasn't long before lawyers became involved.
Who's lawyers? Iron Bay?
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Old Dec 05, 2015, 08:08 AM
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A year ago ? Iron Bay wasn't involved with what that guy was trying to do.

My point is that some one owns the rights to the Byron designs. It's best to get their permission if one wants to produce fuselages from their design.
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Old Dec 05, 2015, 08:14 AM
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Then who was involved?
Seems to me Iron Bay still owns those rights since they bought the right to produce/distribute those planes.
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Old Dec 05, 2015, 02:34 PM
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A year ago, there was a guy that wanted to start cutting out of production kits. It wasn't long before lawyers became involved.
then they can take me to court.ill just change a panel line in the mold so its not the same.im not trying to make money.just want to make the plane more available
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Old Dec 09, 2015, 10:54 AM
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Why not just make your own? besides the Byron is not super scale...FYI I have one new in the box.
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Old Dec 09, 2015, 11:37 AM
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I beleive Byron is still in business making fuel. If so any use of the name Byron when describing a " reverse engineered " product is where the copyright infringement would happen. There is a guy who has been making molds and kits of out of production pattern airplanes and has not apparently been having issues doing so. Then again he is not using the manufacturers name only the name of the airplane. He is also not making anything where the company still somewhat exists.
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Old Dec 09, 2015, 01:50 PM
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I beleive Byron is still in business making fuel. If so any use of the name Byron when describing a " reverse engineered " product is where the copyright infringement would happen. There is a guy who has been making molds and kits of out of production pattern airplanes and has not apparently been having issues doing so. Then again he is not using the manufacturers name only the name of the airplane. He is also not making anything where the company still somewhat exists.
I have seen aftermarket fuselages successfully produced without incident. They were marketed as a "fiberglass fuselage that will fit a *** wing".

This may be a way to get around any conflicts.

The incident I was referring to was when a guy said that he was going to produce kits that were out of production. He was using the individual kit manufacturers' names.
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I have seen aftermarket fuselages successfully produced without incident. They were marketed as a "fiberglass fuselage that will fit a *** wing".

This may be a way to get around any conflicts.

The incident I was referring to was when a guy said that he was going to produce kits that were out of production. He was using the individual kit manufacturers' names.

Exactly, almost impossible to copyright a shape but using a copy written name is a no no.
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Old Dec 11, 2015, 03:53 PM
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"Exactly, almost impossible to copyright a shape but using a copy written name is a no no."

A n original sculpted shape, no different than a painting or song, etc is EXACTLY meant to be protected by copyright! This doesn't mean Byon's P-51 shape is so protected, though it may be. If it is protected by claim, it's probably not under copyright. Brand Names and registered Trademark protections are somewhat different.

"Protection " itself is a rather misleading concept. It is un-enforcable until or unless a court finds claimed protection exists for a specific instance. Threat of court proceedings is often enough to discourage infringement, real and/or perceived.
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Old Dec 11, 2015, 06:42 PM
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I see what you are saying but that would be a difficult concept for a.prosecuting lawyer to prove. Byron would also have to prove damages. The OP could easily make the fuselages out of epoxy glass rather then polyester and have laser cut wood wings and tail and its a completly different kit. A jury or judge is not going to have a clue otherwise, a 1/5 P51 is going to look the same no matter where it came from in their eyes.
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