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Old Apr 11, 2015, 08:15 PM
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Old model boat steam engine

Nice old model steam engine:

VINTAGE STEAM ENGINE PARTS BOILER ETC. MODEL SHIP BOAT MARINE

Approximately US $105.51

"VINTAGE STEAM ENGINE PARTS BOILER ETC. MODEL SHIP BOAT THIS CAME WITH THE HULLS I AM SELLING THIS WEEK ALL SEEM IN GOOD CONDITION"

http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-STEA...item35e7e0ab27
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 10:59 AM
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Although $12k might be the insured or appraised value of a model of this caliber, it seems that a great professional craftsman will only fetch that price if commissioned directly by a museum, business, etc. Unfortunately, if the seller were to put this as an auction format on eBay, I doubt they'd get even a 1/10th the price. Each of our groups have some incredibly talented builders capable of making museum-quality models. Even those builders are lucky to get reimbursed for materials/supplies upon a sale, and the value of their time tends to go a wash as a labor of love.
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 02:15 PM
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 03:33 PM
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Although $12k might be the insured or appraised value of a model of this caliber, it seems that a great professional craftsman will only fetch that price if commissioned directly by a museum, business, etc. Unfortunately, if the seller were to put this as an auction format on eBay, I doubt they'd get even a 1/10th the price. Each of our groups have some incredibly talented builders capable of making museum-quality models. Even those builders are lucky to get reimbursed for materials/supplies upon a sale, and the value of their time tends to go a wash as a labor of love.
More often than not, this is the case, but even if that Grand Banks was a commissioned piece, 12.6k is still a stretch.

No doubt, it's a fine model, but for that kind of coin, the model should be completely prototypical, and not have the sort of shortcuts as evidenced by the photos, i.e., wooden plugs used instead of glass gauges on the helm console, cheap Rivabo props used instead of handmade scale wheels, way oversized door hinges, etc.

The types of things that can be overlooked a modeler's personal build or even on an inexpensively built commission can't be overlooked when the builder is making himself sound like the second coming...
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 05:20 PM
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IF, you put a model (or a rare exotic car), up for a publicly disclosed price, YOU, and YOUR WORK, are open for comments. If the sale is private, then all parties win. As having spent the last 20+ years that I worked, building and repairing, high end exotic cars, I know. I also have done custom r/c boat building on occasion, I NEVER, discuss the time involved, or the costs, with anyone other than the models owner. Most of the car work I did, and, some of my model builds, (inc. my own) would shock most people, as to the costs! But good work, and quality parts, do not come cheap. BUT, it must truly BE, top quality work!!!
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 06:44 PM
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If only there were more collectors who wanted that kind of quality in their model ships!

As it is is, there are plenty of folks who think $250 is too much for a model boat...
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 07:40 PM
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Aaaaaany way .........

Back on course:

A nice old PT, reported maiden voyage in 1962....

Worth it to a collector ?

We know things are worth what someone will pay ..

Vintage 1959 RC PT-182 Boat 55" Wood Ship Handmade with Remote Control Military

US $999.99

"A Huge Hand Crafted Boat At 55" Long, 14 3/4" Wide, 23" Tall at the Top of the Mast. Every Piece Including the Electronics and Controls are Hand Made Right Down to the Props. It is Sporting a Carl Goldberg Tone Pulse Receiver But the Transmitter was Hand Built.

Project Plans are from a 1959 Popular Mechanics Mag. The original Plans were for a 36 Inch Model But were enlarged to the 55 Inches it is Now.

It was a Two Year Build and had it's Maiden Voyage in 1962.

Included but Not Pictured is a 10" x 20" Glossy Photo of the Builder/Owner and what may be it's Maiden Voyage.

Has Nicks and Scratches. There are Several Age Cracks. I Believe the Only Thing Missing is a Couple of the Tiny Gun Sights. Click the Link and See all 40 Pictures. Untested. As Is for Art,Part or Repair. "


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1959...item35e6eb8c5a
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Old Apr 12, 2015, 08:22 PM
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Tim,

WE (Troy, Pat, and myself) were discussing the the same thing you are. What's it REALLY worth??? That IS why everyone is posting these items, correct? It is sure not because, THEY, are going to spend large sums of money, is it?
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 11:45 AM
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I'm sure you did not mean any disgrace when you stated Bear Brakes.
Most all know them (the brakes/components) to in fact be Baer Brakes. Some of the very best.
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Old Apr 13, 2015, 01:53 PM
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Oops,

Thank you, that just proves you should NOT post, when you are tired, and busy!
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Old May 07, 2015, 09:01 AM
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Nice old Ito ... ( never seen one this big ~ )

ITO MODEL TOY BOAT LARGE 37 INCHES NEEDS RESTORING VINTAGE POND BOAT NO RESERVE

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ITO-MODEL-TO...item3f4c10f171
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Old May 07, 2015, 11:05 AM
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I think this whole matter of what a person is asking for a model that he or she has put up for sale can be boiled down to, “THEY CAN ASK ANY AMOUNT THEY WANT, BUT IT IS WHAT SOMEONE IS WILL TO PAY THAT SHOWS IT’S WORTH”.

I have been in the model business for more years than I wish to count, and sold a number of models which were sitting on the shelf, never to see the light of day due to the new models that have been built to run and enjoy. I sold the models for less then what it would cost to buy, build and equip the same model to day without any thought for recouping time invested in the model build. The point I am trying to make is that I was happy to free up space and recoup some funds to move on to different and newer projects.

As for building contracted models, both kit and scratch, I have a different approach to pricing for the projects. Kits are build at a cost for labor and materials at 10 times the LIST price for the kit. If the builder wants any optional equipment installed in the model, it must be supplied along with the new kit before the build starts. Also stated in the contract for the build is that 50% of the cost for the build will be down payment to start the build, with the balance due upon completion.

When you look at the subject of building models, for your living, it tends to take on a different light then if it is your hobby.
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Old May 08, 2015, 06:30 AM
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I do the exact same thing frankg.
Some are appalled at the cost. When i tell them it is mostly just the time they usually come around and agree.
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