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Old Feb 01, 2016, 12:17 PM
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When you have a model that you really like to fly and destroy it flying in bad wind conditions or after saying. "watch this" it's hard to forgive yourself. The WACO has become on of my frequent flyers requiring almost no maintenance. It makes me look like I'm a great model pilot even though I am somewhere around " intermediate"

Tip: Don't fly when you are feeling sick, hung over, nervous or unhappy. Take the time to check your model over and be sure everything is connected securely and surfaces are moving in the proper directions. Fly models like this in a large enough and unobstructed area with decent takeoff and landing surface.
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Old Feb 01, 2016, 12:25 PM
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What a flight report Ken. It is amazing how experience will kick in with the auto reflexes and take over when you are in a tough spot. I've been there too and sometimes I've come through it and other times I haven't been so fortunate. Glad you saved the plane.
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Old Feb 01, 2016, 02:07 PM
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Great story Ken, but one I'm sure you don't want to go through again - but you will. We all have stories, but not all are with a favorite plane. Glad your experience was able to assist without you having to think too much first about what to do next!

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Old Feb 01, 2016, 03:36 PM
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Good story - got my heart pumping as it brought back similar memories for me!
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Old Feb 01, 2016, 03:41 PM
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Great report Ken! as I have said before" RC flying is the leading cause of AFIB" I know. I have a very early WACO from HobbyLobby and it is still my go to plane. Happy flying ACE
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Old Feb 01, 2016, 09:16 PM
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Ken, its amazing what our instincts and reflexes will do if we would only just learn to trust and use them. Bravo for the save!
So, after that harrowing experience, what have we learned! LOL!
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Old Feb 02, 2016, 06:55 AM
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How are you guys hinging the rudder, CA hinges or ? Do you think Blenduram hinge tape on both sides would work? Mine is completely separated.
ditto on the dubro pin hinges.
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Old Feb 02, 2016, 07:03 AM
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Thanks guys, the wind here is unusually in that in is often calm early in the morning and then the wind comes up very fast. They are very good at stating the start times, if they say 9:00 within minutes they will start. I use Weather Underground and Aviation Weather, with Fredericksburg TX Airport as the reporting location, which is 30 miles west of me. That is my closest reporting airport.
I had 3 flights on another plane and seeing that the winds were still calm, I knew that they would be starting soon, thought I would fly the Waco. Got in 2 flights with some bounces at about 35 feet or higher, nothing at ground level. On the third flight and there was not a steady wind but gusts, very little at ground level, they reminded me of when I was in the eye of a hurricane these were like being hit with a powerful air cannon. The whole flight involved these gusting winds not a steadily blowing winds, although these hit right after I got down.
From pass experience I knew the winds would be starting hard in a few minutes so I was starting to land and without knowing it I flew into the "corner of death" that is when it got bad. Hadn't really experienced the gusting winds like that before most of the time they are mixed in with the steady winds.
Funny how everything can be fine then go crazy on you.

I would go with the Dubro small pin hinges too, as to which glue to use is another story, 5 minute epoxy, I have used in the past. You can cut a recess in one surface to reduce the gap, be sure to put light oil or vaseline to protect the hinges. Not saying that epoxy is the best, been thinking about doing this myself on a 3 year old plane, not sure which glue to use. There really isn't that much pressure on these control surfaces.

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OK, the tip of my rudder has been bent over some and is weak at the top. Will running the hot water trick straighten it and make it more solid again?
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Old Feb 02, 2016, 08:43 AM
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OK, the tip of my rudder has been bent over some and is weak at the top. Will running the hot water trick straighten it and make it more solid again?
If there are "integrity" issues with the rudder's foam, IMHO hot water would not be recommended. Break rudder at weak point, use toothpick tenons, and glue up. If "integrity" of the foam is intact, hot water can be used to straighten it out.

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I used hot water on my vertical stab and rudder to straighten them out. It softens the foam enough for you to re-form it. As for being more solid afterward. I'm not sure, but I'd say no. You could poke some toothpicks through to help stiffen it up.

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I usually use small carbon rod to stiffen things, but, I have Aloft hobbies nearby with a really good stock of carbon.... They sell online too.... FYI
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On my rudder I used a big chip bag clip to hold everything straight and then heated it up some with a hair dryer. Worked pretty well with my Waco and Tiger Moth. Doubled up a paper towel between the foam and the clip. Good save in the wind, I cart wheeled my Waco last fall in a big cross wind guest that came out of nowhere. I must admit its a tough bird. It just broke some of the foam out from the N struts.
little bit of epoxy and its stronger than new.
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I used canopy glue to glue "old school " nylon pinned hinges into slots in foam made with X-Acto knife. Work glue into slots with knife blade and remove any excess. Smear a thin film of glue onto hinge tabs. Insert one side of each hinge into wing (etc)and push a pin through foam and hinge tab to hold it steady. Install control surface onto the protruding hinge tabs, you can apply a tiny amount of 3 in 1 oil to the rotating hinge parts to prevent glue from stiffening them. Let canopy glue dry overnight and check security and hinge action, then hook up pushrods to control surface horns.
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Is there a way to center an individual aileron servo using sub trim, I am using a Y harness, one of mine is not centered, I have already tried to adjust the arm, it just puts it off center in the other direction.
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