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Old Aug 19, 2014, 05:14 PM
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Hi sorry for butting in here (somewhat out of the blue), but the civil engineering company which I work for in New Zealand is shortly looking at deploying a UAV (initially a DJI Phantom for 'proof of concept') for purposes of survey, landslide/cliff stability assessment, bridge peir inspections etc. Incidentally I have been doing some independent aerial photographywork for them over the last 6-7 years using a remote controlled Easystar.

While we have been working satisfactorily with CAA in New Zealand (for the time being), our company (a multi-national company) is also interested to utilise UAV/UAS technology in its other offices in Australia, UK and Canada. Can anyone point me in the right direction(s) regarding these countries latest regulations regarding UAV or UAS useage commercially? I understand all of the individual aviation authorities regulations are probably in a state of flux at the moment but any current links etc would be helpful, thanks Harry
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 12:11 AM
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For the UK your operators will need a certificate to fly this is the best company http://uas.resourcegroup.co.uk/. The company will also need an operators licence issued by the CAA. Resource can handle that application as well. Look for CAP 722 for the regs to comply with. CASA in Australia has a similar scheme I will let somebody from there jump in.
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Old Aug 20, 2014, 04:20 PM
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Thanks Gary, I'll pass this on.
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Old Aug 24, 2014, 01:20 AM
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Transport Canada has an SFOC
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Old Aug 26, 2014, 05:54 PM
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Just wanted to share an experience I had about 10 minutes ago with my city's Director of Public Works. I live in DeKalb IL (famous for a mass shooting at N.I.U.) for about 40 years. I've been flying RC in DeKalb for about 30 years and I'm a 20 year private pilot. I've been doing a lot of aerial photography with a quadcopter and a 3 axis gimbal with a Gopro 3. Every year Dekalb has an annual Corn Festival (DeKalb Agriculture's logo is an ear of corn with wings) so I though I would see if I could get permission from the city and the local uncontrolled airport (within 3 miles). The first lady I spoke to was very nice and told me the Corn Fest committee had already purchased a drone and the FAA and the city said it couldn't be flown. I suspected they didn't know that it couldn't be flown commercially and that is why the FAA denied them and thus the city too. I explained to her that I'm a private citizen that just wants to do a few charity shots for free. I also explained all the FAA guidelines and emphasized safety and that I would not fly directly over people. I would have a spotter, monitor COM radio, inform the airport, always have direct line of sight, stay below 400ft AGL amd not use autopilot of any kind.
About 5 minutes later I get a call from the Director of Public Works. I started to explain what I wanted permission for and he just kept repeating "it has to be three miles from the airport". He started to sound annoyed, so I told him it's no different than flying a model airplane in the park. Then he says that he has called the police and the FAA before on someone flying an RC plane near the uncontrolled airport. I asked him if there was a conviction, but he didn't like that. Then I said "what would happen to someone who flew an RC helicopter in the park during cornfest?". He said "They would immediately be arrest and the model (inaudible) and the FAA would be called!". I told him since the entire city of DeKalb is within 3 miles of the airport that means, by his rules, no one can fly a model aircraft without threat of arrest. He agreed. So that was my first attempt at trying to get into aerial photography by asking permission. What the heck did I do wrong? I actually feel threatened now that I have been outed as a 'drone operator' in my own town. What the heck is that?
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Old Aug 26, 2014, 07:32 PM
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LW,
As a photographer (ground) I find whenever I ask permission to photograph people going about their daily business (shopping centres, parks etc) or actively enjoying a 'public event', I typically get a "no" or "no thanks". So I don't ask, because I know I have a job to do with permission. People and bureaucracy.... afraid of the unknown, sticklers for red tape. It's just easier for them to say no. I recently asked to video off school grounds and from a distance, kids walking out of a school gate for a project we were doing.... "no - you'll have to arrange it with the principal".
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Old Aug 26, 2014, 08:43 PM
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Tie a piece of fishing line to it.
Now it's tethered, and 100% legal to fly anywhere, and no one can ever tell you no.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 12:49 AM
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Tie a piece of fishing line to it.
Now it's tethered, and 100% legal to fly anywhere, and no one can ever tell you no.
Dude, that is hilarious! I already have a friend that volunteered his business parking lot which is in a perfect spot to film the festival.
Funny because my wife asked me if they would consider a kite a drone.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 05:57 AM
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Its also 100% bogus but you kids carry on. Tethered kites and balloons have SFARs and if you comply (become legal) your quad will never lift its payload.
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Old Aug 27, 2014, 11:06 AM
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Its also 100% bogus but you kids carry on. Tethered kites and balloons have SFARs and if you comply (become legal) your quad will never lift its payload.
*sigh*

http://www.fotokite.com/
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Old Aug 28, 2014, 02:07 AM
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*sigh* rubbish. Go ask the FAA

They will ask...

Can is sustain flight under its own power

Is it controlled in three axis (yes the computer does it)

What cut down device does it use.

The photokite is very cool but not the magic solution you are looking for.
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Old Aug 30, 2014, 07:24 AM
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Fly a drone bound to a retention cable - Tested :
Fly a drone bound to a retention cable - Tested in "Stabilize" mode (APM Copter V3.2) (3 min 9 sec)
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Old Aug 31, 2014, 06:45 AM
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Great its still not legal in the USA.

Is it sustaining flight under its own power...........
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Old Sep 01, 2014, 06:06 AM
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Great its still not legal in the USA.

Is it sustaining flight under its own power...........

If the battery were on the ground than it really would not be flying under it's own power. Since it's attached to the ground it would not be under FAA jurisdiction. It would be the same as a cell tower or a tall building.




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Old Sep 20, 2014, 12:16 PM
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opinions vs. facts

Sounds like to me you got the guy who was told no.. Then when you asked him if you could use yours he relayed more of when since we can't neither than can you kind of response.

I am not recommending this however based on the actual laws that exist (historically maritime, which was rightfully adopted to the skies) you could still operate, if you were able to abide by all the current laws governing the airspace above. However doing so now in the contentious environment may just cause allot of unneeded problems, most likely causing allot of civil infractions.

Your efforts are commendable, and should be looked at as the correct way of engaging with the community and its organizers. Locally we do our best to inform and engage the public, and glad to see those attempts being made even if they are not as fruitful as you hoped.

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Just wanted to share an experience I had about 10 minutes ago with my city's Director of Public Works. I live in DeKalb IL (famous for a mass shooting at N.I.U.) for about 40 years. I've been flying RC in DeKalb for about 30 years and I'm a 20 year private pilot. I've been doing a lot of aerial photography with a quadcopter and a 3 axis gimbal with a Gopro 3. Every year Dekalb has an annual Corn Festival (DeKalb Agriculture's logo is an ear of corn with wings) so I though I would see if I could get permission from the city and the local uncontrolled airport (within 3 miles). The first lady I spoke to was very nice and told me the Corn Fest committee had already purchased a drone and the FAA and the city said it couldn't be flown. I suspected they didn't know that it couldn't be flown commercially and that is why the FAA denied them and thus the city too. I explained to her that I'm a private citizen that just wants to do a few charity shots for free. I also explained all the FAA guidelines and emphasized safety and that I would not fly directly over people. I would have a spotter, monitor COM radio, inform the airport, always have direct line of sight, stay below 400ft AGL amd not use autopilot of any kind.
About 5 minutes later I get a call from the Director of Public Works. I started to explain what I wanted permission for and he just kept repeating "it has to be three miles from the airport". He started to sound annoyed, so I told him it's no different than flying a model airplane in the park. Then he says that he has called the police and the FAA before on someone flying an RC plane near the uncontrolled airport. I asked him if there was a conviction, but he didn't like that. Then I said "what would happen to someone who flew an RC helicopter in the park during cornfest?". He said "They would immediately be arrest and the model (inaudible) and the FAA would be called!". I told him since the entire city of DeKalb is within 3 miles of the airport that means, by his rules, no one can fly a model aircraft without threat of arrest. He agreed. So that was my first attempt at trying to get into aerial photography by asking permission. What the heck did I do wrong? I actually feel threatened now that I have been outed as a 'drone operator' in my own town. What the heck is that?
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Great its still not legal in the USA.

Is it sustaining flight under its own power...........
Gary can you provide the law that you are referencing? as from your statement it seems like you may be aware of something that I may not be aware.

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If the battery were on the ground than it really would not be flying under it's own power. Since it's attached to the ground it would not be under FAA jurisdiction. It would be the same as a cell tower or a tall building.
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From how you describe this, there are other laws now that would make in my interpretation this illegal. Building and Zoneing laws come to mind, and in my opinion would add lots of hindrances to a very capable platform.


Just as people can fly planes in certain areas without a pilot's license, or cars without a drivers license, think of farmers and their children. Similar things should apply to these new tools, however the issue comes in to what if you injure another, and who will cover the cost if this does happen. Your homeowners policy most likely will not cover this due to certain language adopted in most policies, and to my knowledge there is only a few underwriters that cover these tools specifically. At the very least I would want insurance to cover me no matter if I was flying a 5oz hubsan above a crowd of people just due to the fact that if I did affect them I feel based on the society we all live in as someone most likely would try to seek a civil solution.
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