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Old May 20, 2015, 12:53 PM
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New boater ~ next boat hull question.

I am new to boating. I have a couple FT007s and FT009s that my children and I have been loving. We are looking to step up to a faster brushless mono hull.


I have been on Banggood looking at either the , FT012, Joysway Super Mono X, or DTRC Mini Little Pepper.

Would rather spend a little more for quality if the Mono and Pepper are better than the FT012.

Mono X comes RTR with battery and radio
Motor: 2812-2950KV

Pepper will require a transmitter/receiver and batteries.
Motor: 2040KV3100


Is the fiberglass hull on the Pepper better than the plastic hull on the Mono X?

What transmitter/receiver would work for the Pepper so I could have it running when it arrives?

Does the Pepper have a better motor?

Should I just save my money and get the FT 012?


Thank you,
David
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Old May 20, 2015, 04:17 PM
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Hi David,

Both boats are entry level and come with relative cheap motors (and other hardware) to keep the price down.

The Little Pepper, with it's GRP hull is a nice starting point and (in the hands of a skilled competition pilot, like in the video) performs really well.

Be aware of the fact "there's no such thing as ready to run", getting the boat ready for the water (without sinking at the first outing) is your job, make sure all bolts are tight and watertight and set-up the running gear correctly.

Notice the difference in running attitude in the two video's, the first one is the 'promotional' video with a well dialed in boat and an experienced driver:
DTRC Mini Little Pepper RC Brushless Boat M445 - Banggood.com (5 min 29 sec)

The second is very clearly a first run; it works, but the boat doesn't behave as well and the pilot still has a lot to learn:
DTRC Mini Little Pepper RC Brushless Boat (1 min 23 sec)

(It's also annoyingly loud..., boaters like to be able to hear the sound of the boat, not rock music.)

Regards, Jan.
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Old May 20, 2015, 11:27 PM
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Thanks Jan!

I have been reading a lot on these forums and highly respect your opinion.

I would love to put a boat together and learn to handle it like that promotional video. If I can do that with the Pepper then great! If spending a little more time and/or money up front would make a better end product then I am all ears.
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Old May 21, 2015, 08:47 AM
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I think proboat and aquacraft make very high quality RTRs ~30line (monos and cats). Proven electronics, on 4S, very good fiberglass hulls. If you keep the boat on 4s nothing needs to be replaced and they are reliable.

I like 30" FE's as they are big enough to handle rougher waters, work great on two 2S1P packs, good speed (stock close to 50 with correct setup and a good prop), and they are the typical size used in NAMBA p-limited offshore racing. The hulls are big enough so if you want to reinforce them and upgrade motor and ESC later you can run stupid fast on 6s.

Check to see if there is a NAMBA club near you-- I thought sport boating was fun until I discovered racing!

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Old May 21, 2015, 10:17 AM
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Haha Chief ---> " I thought sport boating was fun until I discovered racing!"

I have a good collection of 2S batteries but most are 20C with some 30C. To run these boats I would need to have 50C per the website correct?

I have never ran batteries in series before. Would two 30C 2S1P batteries = 60C?
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Old May 21, 2015, 01:20 PM
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If you want the SMX just buy an Atomik Barbwire, you can get them well under $150 in the US so you'll save $20-$30 compared to buying from Banggood.Enter "return" in the promo code area during checkout at Atomikrc and you'll get 10% off.I used that code this week on a 5692 Leopard and it was still active.

But Tower Hobby has easy pay.You'll have over $200 in the Mini Pepper before its running, that's a little over half of what I paid for my Spartan.You aren't much more then a payment away from owning a nice full sized boat.The Spartan only runs 30mph with stock nimh batteries so you don't need to worry much about the performance difference until you run it on lipo.I think I learned more from my Spartan in 2 months then I did messing around with minis for 2 years, the boats so big I can see everything that's happening.When my Super Mono X flips I need a video to figure out why.

The Revolt is also a very smooth running mono hull, it might be closer to your price range when they become available again.

The Mah rating also has to be factored in with the C rating to figure out what your batteries are capable of.

20c 1000mah lipos only have 20a available to discharge

20c 5000mah lipos have 100a available.
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Do you have a means of rescuing your boat? when you get into these faster boats they will flip or you will have some issues at times, it happens. weather it be self righting or not.

I would seriously consider figuring out a way to rescue the boat first if you can, then figure out what size boat you are comfortable hauling around before you make any decisions.
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What Farmer said is pretty true. Him and micro have been telling me for months to get a rescue method down. Needless to say I've improved my back stroke quite a bit.

Tower hobbies easy pay is a great way to afford generally unaffordable models. If you can squeeze out the cash for a more expensive boat on easy pay then do it, you won't regret it. I started cheap, I got a barbwire, it was fun, then I wanted something bigger and more stable and got a shockwave 26 brushless, it got slow to me pretty quick. I got bored of the shockwave and sold it, went straight to the lhs and bought a spartan. I've enjoyed the spartan ever since and I still use it almost every day for the last year.
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I have been rescuing my little FT007/FT009 boats using a a fishing pole with a couple bobbers and sinkers on the line. If they are past my pathetic casting distance (I do not fish) then i tie a line with a couple bobbers on a one of my operation boats and go wrap up the dead one and drag it back in.

But you make a great point. I doubt my little boats could pull a boat as big as these without burning up the brushed motor.
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I have been rescuing my little FT007/FT009 boats using a a fishing pole with a couple bobbers and sinkers on the line. If they are past my pathetic casting distance (I do not fish) then i tie a line with a couple bobbers on a one of my operation boats and go wrap up the dead one and drag it back in.

But you make a great point. I doubt my little boats could pull a boat as big as these without burning up the brushed motor.
Actually a brushed motor boat would be better for a rescue boat it's what i use to rescue my bigger boats brushless don't like to be run at partial throttle it tends to burn up the Fett's on the ESC.
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Haha Chief ---> " I thought sport boating was fun until I discovered racing!"

I have a good collection of 2S batteries but most are 20C with some 30C. To run these boats I would need to have 50C per the website correct?

I have never ran batteries in series before. Would two 30C 2S1P batteries = 60C?
Hi,
You just need 35C packs, but they need to be *real* 35C packs-- I've seen some packs advertised much higher, but upon removing the shrinkwrap the actual C rating on the cells are lower...

When you run two 2S1P 35C 5000mah packs in serial, you get a 4S1P 35C 5000mah pack (add voltage, capacity is constant)

If you run two 2S1P 35C 5000mah packs in parallel, you get a 2S2P 70C 10,000mah pack (add capacity, voltage is constant)

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Actually a brushed motor boat would be better for a rescue boat it's what i use to rescue my bigger boats brushless don't like to be run at partial throttle it tends to burn up the Fett's on the ESC.
Awesome! being able to use the same rescue boats will help.


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Hi,
You just need 35C packs, but they need to be *real* 35C packs-- I've seen some packs advertised much higher, but upon removing the shrinkwrap the actual C rating on the cells are lower...

When you run two 2S1P 35C 5000mah packs in serial, you get a 4S1P 35C 5000mah pack (add voltage, capacity is constant)

If you run two 2S1P 35C 5000mah packs in parallel, you get a 2S2P 70C 10,000mah pack (add capacity, voltage is constant)

Chief

Clearly explained, thanks!
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I have been rescuing my little FT007/FT009 boats using a a fishing pole with a couple bobbers and sinkers on the line. If they are past my pathetic casting distance (I do not fish) then i tie a line with a couple bobbers on a one of my operation boats and go wrap up the dead one and drag it back in.

But you make a great point. I doubt my little boats could pull a boat as big as these without burning up the brushed motor.
When you send the rescue boat out to wrap up the dead boat, have it tied to the line on your fishing reel. Then just wind both boats back in with the rod. Saves a lot of wear & tear on the rescue boat.
Cheers.
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When you send the rescue boat out to wrap up the dead boat, have it tied to the line on your fishing reel. Then just wind both boats back in with the rod. Saves a lot of wear & tear on the rescue boat.
Cheers.
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I am embarrassed I never thought of using the boat and pole at the same time. It really takes a lot for these little boats to pull another boat through the water let alone pull a couple bobbers. Next stranded boat I an trying reeling in both boats and see how she goes. I imagine I will get to practice this this evening as we have a boat in need of rescue nearly every trip to the pond.
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