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Old Sep 09, 2012, 01:07 PM
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How would CG affect on ballast needed?
You may ask Janne, he the one who believes the PP can't penetrate the wind unballasted

From the behaviour, agility, floating capabilities and cruise speed I still believe the PP and Tragi are close to each other, but what do I know just fiddeling around on a slope....
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Old Sep 09, 2012, 02:07 PM
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From the behaviour, agility, floating capabilities and cruise speed I still believe the PP and Tragi are close to each other, but what do I know just fiddeling around on a slope....
Just by looking Tragi fly, I can assure you it is much more slippery than Pike Perfect. How well would PP move at 1800g AUW??
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Old Sep 10, 2012, 01:21 AM
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Just i have sayed before,I have flyed perfects many years,testetd cg from 106 to 125mm, i mostly flyed 110mm and et 109mm.I think that im not "bad" pilot or wannabe,I have experience in F3J from 1995....many designs flown from jaro muller esprit-> now days.For saying difference of perfect against ET perfect, ET goes better at wind even is bigger.Everybody can have they own minds about models,and ofcourse own model is best:-) I didnt first expect big dirrefence from cluster against perfects,but i surprised really positive.>Now i need to deside what models to buy,more clusters or something else:-) needing 2-4 models more right now.
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Old Sep 10, 2012, 05:17 AM
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A noselanding Tragi filmed with 200fps
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Old Sep 12, 2012, 02:51 PM
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Hi Janne ,glad you are enjoying flying your Cluster ,
I bought 2 last year and have had a great competition season flying them .they are really good in UK conditions
I also have a light but strong Supra under 1.6 for those dead air slots we get at eurotour comps .looking to add a Maxa 3.5 which I hope will give me a fleet off models to cope with most conditions .
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Old Sep 22, 2012, 04:13 PM
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Tragi 801 against SSL at the Slope
Tragi vs SSL (3 min 37 sec)
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 03:54 AM
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Is anybody flying the Cluster in competitions? Or why not?

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Old Sep 23, 2012, 04:59 AM
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Tragi is popular in UK
I am top of UK F3J league using Clusters, with supra back up .
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 05:43 PM
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I have been flying 801's for two years, had a great Nats and 12th at Soaring Masters. Won a lot of local stuff in this time frame. Also, won the Nats ALES contest with E-801 this summer.

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Old Sep 23, 2012, 06:17 PM
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From the looks of this thread most guys are taking what seams to be a great thermal bird and flying it on a slope???
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 09:09 PM
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From the looks of this thread most guys are taking what seams to be a great thermal bird and flying it on a slope???
So, is there somethink wrong to use a J ship for the slope in light conditions when possible nothing else would stays up??
or is this blasphemic for the competion experts?
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 10:11 PM
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No Im just giving you a hard time
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Old Sep 23, 2012, 10:18 PM
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Been flying 801 for 3 years and really enjoy it.

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Old Sep 28, 2012, 05:45 AM
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I sended today some carbon fibre to my new "secred" construction cluster:-) Will be delivered to me at end of november. Heino is now working with V-tail,it will be released before longer wing.Longer version will be at spring,i really wait for it:-)
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Old Sep 28, 2012, 02:33 PM
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Interesting Janne, will look forward to seeing it.

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