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Old Jan 06, 2014, 12:52 PM
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Landings and Runways

Post-Holiday Greetings to All! (I've been away from the Internet since Xmas eve).

Ok, so I've been landing planes almost as long as I've been flying them. I fly over grass, so its been mostly hand-launch/belly-landings, but as far as technique goes - throttle management, flaring, ect.- all's good. Being out at the lake with some time on my hands over the holidays, I decided to make a runway. I used my truck to establish the base, so it ended up being 10ft wide, and 150ft long. I took this forgranted as fine, as I intended to fly Micro edfs from it. After pains-takingly-hand-grooming it to a useful level and smoothness, I was good to go!
I grabbed my Eflite Mig I5. I decided to hand launch, and debut the runway on the landing. It was at that point I realized just how different a runway landing is from an open field belly landing. A good, on-the-spot, belly landing is one thing, landing with a determined ideal approach and roll out vector is quite another. I found the 10ft width to be challenging. I had wondered about the 150ft length, whether it was overkill. Turned out in my case to be a good thing. The roll-out only took maybe 12-15ft on the snow, but where that 12ft happened depended on where touch-down occurred, and that could vary greatly with approach corrections. Moreover, Take-offs reqd quite a run, maybe 30ft or more? It was challenging to keep striaght and avoid the edges (piled snow) on the run and just after lift off, so that 10ft width was a factor again too.
As a side note, The Mig did fine on the snowpack with its LG, the GP F-86, not so well. Luckily, I had a spare set of Mig gear, so the front wheel swapped on to the 86s front strut, and the rear wheels and struts went right on( I actually flipped the slot-plates around to give a wider stance to the gear.), worked fine afterwards (still miss the steerable wheel though).
Just thought I'd share, and hope to see a bit of feedback on the runway dimentions being used by some of the other flyers out there.
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Old Jan 07, 2014, 12:57 AM
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Hey Man,

My buddies and I fly off a cricket pitch runway at our local park. It's way more than enough for my umx yak-54. It felt small when I first got into flying with my micro t-28, but that's no longer the case. A friend of mine even flies his huge Carbon Z Cub (seems like a 5-6ft wingspan) off of it as it takes a ridiculously short rollout with full flaps, though he normally just sets down in the grass when done. As for my MiG, I've known that ever since I started flying my GP Sabre, that short well-judged landing are a whole new ballgame with EDFs. I really enjoy flying it with landing gear from the local running track, but I know that while I could easily takeoff from the cricket pitch runway, my landing and rollout would at some point involve grass, and MiG landing gear and grass aren't a winning combo. Maybe one of these weekends I'll try to nail a cricket pitch landing in the MiG, but it will be more of a circus trick than anything else. It's not so much the width of the runway, it's just judging the glide rate as the MiG floats forever and I usually end up overshooting.
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Old Jan 07, 2014, 04:44 PM
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So thats 10ft wide, 66ft long ? (wiki'ed).
Glad to hear that the Mig typically takes a little more judgement to accurately land than a prop micro, I can hope to nail those landings with less "uglies" along the way....

...course my runway will probably be well snowed over by the time I get back to it, but now that I've started landings, I'll have to find some somewhere local too...
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Old Jan 08, 2014, 06:00 PM
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Good question, it's definitely not 10 feet wide, I'd be surprised if it's much over 5', as the e-flite Carbon Z Cub's wings are about as wide as it is. As for length I'd say 66' isn't too far off. Here's my buddy Ed with the Cub:

http://youtu.be/Cm5_mKw9iKc?t=6m55s

Now you've got me wanting to try a landing with the MiG, I'll probably spend the whole flight flying circuits until I get one right.
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