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Old Feb 12, 2014, 06:43 PM
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I am trying to smooth out the creases and/or ridges that are in the canopy area of this Saab Safari. So far I have tried all the tricks up my sleeves, joining the surfaces, smoothing, point editing (nudging) and so far I am not pleased with the results.

I want to get one continuous smooth surface that I can work from to start designing the internal structure, it would be a built up type structure.

Help appreciated!
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Old Feb 13, 2014, 06:47 AM
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Hope these help:
http://www.foundation3d.com/forums/s...d.php?p=125210
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=971672
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Old Feb 13, 2014, 12:15 PM
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thanks, great info. Im looking at it now.
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Old Feb 13, 2014, 03:38 PM
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Quite impressed by the tutorial on the former-less Bearcat. I'd like to try this technique.

It looks like he was using an early version of Rhino, maybe Rhino 3.

In any event, it was not clear to me how to do the most important step, attached. He has circled some points in red, but the procedure and commands he is suggesting are not familiar to me.

Maybe "start pulling highlighted points in line with..." means "into alignment with"? Or does he mean points that are recognizable because they are in line with ... something?

Are the highlighted points the selected points? The circled points?

Can't seem to puzzle out this instruction. Maybe if I understood what he intends to achieve by pulling on the points it would all suddenly make sense.

Thank you for your insights and help.

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Old Feb 14, 2014, 02:21 AM
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The surface shown is just build from the side and topview of the Bearcat plan.
Because there are no formers, the surface section resembles half a diamond shape.

In the next step, the half fuselage surface will be mirrored. He wants the section to represent half an oval, so that after the mirror command no hard visible edge will be visible on the top and bottom of the fuselage.

The action he takes is turn on surface control points, goes to the front view (which he calls side view, in any case, it's the XZ plane). There he pulls the red circled surface control points in the Z direction, to achieve the oval shape.

Hope this explains the step. If not, ask again.
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Old Feb 14, 2014, 10:08 AM
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@ Prop-er. Thank you. I will set up a 3-view and experiment with this technique. In my experience the fewer the formers, the smoother the fuselage. Reducing the number of formers to zero should produce perfection, theoretically...? That will be the day.

@ribotero. A command that is sometimes helpful in smoothly assembling a collection of different surfaces is BlendSrf. Also, if you search this site there is a complete short course/ tutorial by Harpye on modeling a fuselage in Rhino3D. I think the complete .pdf can still be downloaded from his own web site. IIRC he used a Network of Curves command to create the fuse surface. Michael
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Old Feb 14, 2014, 02:33 PM
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I'm interested in checking out the Harpeye tutorial on the fuselage construction but his name doesn't show up in an advanced search.
Does anybody have a link ?
Thanks.
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Old Feb 14, 2014, 02:49 PM
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Sorry, misspelled Harpye. In addition to the thread referenced by Prop-er, the author's website is here:
http://www.modellbauwahn.de/
If you navigate on his site to CAD Engineering, there are some files you can download for the tutorial.
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I wanted to take a look at his work on the subject, but there is only one good link to anything relevant on that page, and that's a PDF that's 54 pages long.
All the other links on that same page are videos that make no sense at all.
I guess he's dropped all those "Unit" links for whatever reason.
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Old Feb 16, 2014, 03:58 PM
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I think the narrative line of that presentation is in the 54 page .pdf. It was a "live" tutorial here on the forum, but I think you can get the basic ideas, strategies and commands from reading that .pdf. You might send Harpye a PM if you have questions.
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i did the tutorial that harpye put together and it certainly help me.
you have the pdf but it came with drawings named as 1 to 8 units witch we had to complete before we could go no to the next
if you pm me i could let you have them,
i hope this will not upset Harpye

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I think the narrative line of that presentation is in the 54 page .pdf. It was a "live" tutorial here on the forum, but I think you can get the basic ideas, strategies and commands from reading that .pdf. You might send Harpye a PM if you have questions.
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Old Feb 22, 2014, 02:05 AM
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how are you getting on with the tutorial
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Here you can get the whole tutorial with all the drawings ( please use the lo Res Version of the drawings )

http://www.modellbauwahn.de/

-> English section

-> Cad Engineering

-> link @ Bottom of the page

Files Cad Workshop 2010 2011


Have fun !


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DPOT - You did build her???!??!? - Pictures/ Videos please - I'm so curious!!!

Hansjoerg

( I'm rather off modelling since 2012 - took a break - but lastet longer than I wanted.. recently I'm busy with other stuff!) - it's not that space consuming!!!
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