|Today, 10:46 AM|
Joined Jan 2009
You guys might start posting plans from the mag on one of the plans threads, here on RCG. Or even start a new one. Maybe whoever claims to own publication rights will get indignant and resurface just long enough to draw a REAL bead on 'em???
I'd say if you're getting lame excusses about e-problems and haven heard anything substantial from these guys since you stated this thread, odds are you lost your money. They aren't acting responsibly or ethically.
Quit playing defense. The ONLY person that CAN and SHOULD raise copyright infringement is one holding the legal protection!
|Today, 11:29 AM|
A lot of guys sent him less than perfect set of plans when they were done with a project, and he would redraw them
I purchased several sets of plans over time from RCM and a couple other places.
Sometimes they were copies of old plans they ran off in a copying machine.
I bought a Bird of Time set of plans from RCM one time. They were really bad, and they wouldn't refund my money.
I sent them to Willie, he fixed them and sent them back. All it cost was round trip shipping. He didn't charge me and included an extra set
But by this time I had done quite a bit of business with him in the past.
I will say Willies plans were of high quality, and usually better than even plans from kits I had saved over the years.
Willie just didn't run off copies of other plans. He completely redrew them and could take an old faded plan and make it look like new.
So was it a bad thing to save some great model airplane plans from the past
that no one else was restoring?
Many of us have plans that languish in boxes on our shop shelves, slowly yellowing, slowly fading.
And if there is someone out there with the talent to redraw them and restore them, I see nothing wrong with that!
I hear a lot of guys yell about copyright infringement.
But they will buy and build and fly ARF's made overseas.
Where do you think these ARF manufacturers got their plans?
I have a friend who has been to one of these ARF plants overseas. The manager showed him plans. They had names like Sig, Comet, Ziroli, Berkeley, etc on them.
Enforcing copyrights outside the USA is impossible
They pay their workers 25 cents an hour and they work under some harsh conditions.
But we buy them up like candy bars!
As an example I have purchased one ARF, ( Hangar 9)of an airplane I scratchbuilt about 20 years ago.
The ARF is an "exact" copy of that airplane
Every component in the ARF matches the plans I have.
So if I crash the ARF, I can easily repair or replace it.
Some of our model manufacturers now supply these overseas ARF manufacturers with plans and get their airplanes built very cheap. Remember many of these workers work for 25 cents an hour or close to it.
After shipping costs, etc, these guys make a good profit on ARFs.
The Hangar 9 ARF I have, I purchased it from a hobby shop that was in bankruptcy and I was able to purchase it at one dollar over cost.
It was far from what it would have cost me otherwise.
I could not have built it from scratch at that cost!
But it is an exact copy made from a set of plans that are still protected by a copyright.
By the way, they are RCM plans!
Some of these guys selling on Ebay now, they just run off copies and sometimes the copying machines tend to slightly change dimensions.
Willie may not have been perfect, but he was providing a service not available anywhere else.'
Just my two cents worth on this subject!
|Today, 12:07 PM|
No, I agree with you 90%, but I wish he hadn't posted a handful of the ones he did. IMHO, if the plan is available, he shouldn't have had it on his website.
OTOH, I do miss the service he provided, and overall wish he was still around.
|Today, 01:59 PM|
There were guys ( modellers)who sent him plans of these kinds to fix problems with them
Because the originator wouldn't
I have been building over 50 years, and have seen some decent plans and some that were crap from the factory.
I have a large drafting board and have often fixed mistakes, or redrawn a plan so I could use it. Believe me I have seen some real junk from major kit makers!
Willie saved me that time by being able to have him do it.
|Today, 04:32 PM|
... if a book by (name any author, any publisher) contained errors, I could correct those errors and publish the book for my own profit just because others would be grateful?
If the rights have, in fact, been "abandoned" (for lack of a better term, I'm not a lawyer...), and the plans entered the public domain, I can understand anyone who might want to preserve those plans for the modeling community. However, if such rights are unclear, I believe it more prudent to err on the side of caution and resist the urge to sell what might belong to someone else.
I also understand a fair number of folk don't care about such things as long as they get what they want.
Just my two, zinc pennies...
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