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Old Dec 13, 2014, 02:43 PM
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If you join a contest: how much planes to take with?

Is one plane enough? If not, do you have a second identical plane or eg. a secon smaller, lighter, heavier plane?

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Old Dec 13, 2014, 02:45 PM
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Depends on the contest.
You definitely need at least one model....
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Old Dec 13, 2014, 04:31 PM
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ok ... i know, allowed are 3 planes max.
Do you have always a spare plane with you?
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Old Dec 13, 2014, 05:56 PM
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One plane is enough to get started. I bet most people bagan their f3x career with one plane.

I carry spare planes in case of failures or crashing etc. In f3j you might want to change plane because of the conditions.

When you start you just want to not crash and not do really badly.
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 04:43 AM
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...In f3j you might want to change plane because of the conditions.
What is the strategy in F3J to select the three planes?
E.g. one for superlight conditions and two more or less identical?
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Old Dec 14, 2014, 05:12 PM
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Hi Bernd,

I carry two airplanes to most contests. A light wind and lift conditions airplane, and a normal conditions airplane. I also carry ballast for the normal airplane in case its a windy day.

Your first flight(s) in the morning may be in light lift and wind conditions. As the day progresses and thermal activity and winds build at some point I will switch to the heavier airplane. If winds build past about 10 mph I start adding ballast to get heavier still.

I think the need for three airplanes in F3J may be partly dictated by the need for a rapid relaunch within a round to avoid a zero score. I don't fly F3J but follow the event, so its a bit of a guess on my part.

A side benefit to flying two airplanes of the same design with identical setups is the ability to swap parts and components during a contest in case of a failure.

Hope this answers your question.

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Old Dec 15, 2014, 08:00 AM
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An interesting aspect of F3B is that no parts may be swapped and that each of the 3 flight tasks, Duration, Distance, and Speed, must be flown with the exact same plane.
IF you have a mid-air in distance, which is not uncommon, you must repair the plane to have it flyable in speed, or suffer a ZERO in that task.

I always bring two planes to a contest, they usually are of differing designs. I cannot afford to by two of everything unfortunately.

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Old Dec 15, 2014, 10:56 AM
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Hi Target, strictly speaking you would be allowed a reflight in the event of a mid air.

Otherwise if you crash or have equipment failure, tough.
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 11:11 AM
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But is that a reflight with an alternate plane?
I think that is what you are implying.

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Old Dec 15, 2014, 11:36 AM
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yes with a different plane.
I remember at the WC a couple of your USA guys had mid airs and got re-flights.

You can't afford to muck up your plane in f3b though generally!
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Old Dec 15, 2014, 12:19 PM
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An interesting aspect of F3B is that no parts may be swapped and that each of the 3 flight tasks, Duration, Distance, and Speed, must be flown with the exact same plane.
IF you have a mid-air in distance, which is not uncommon, you must repair the plane to have it flyable in speed, or suffer a ZERO in that task.

I always bring two planes to a contest, they usually are of differing designs. I cannot afford to by two of everything unfortunately.

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Parts can be swapped, just not within a round, unless you have a midair. For example, if you have several midairs and can piece an airplane together from the remaining bits, this is okay. In other words, you are allowed enough parts to make up three models and you can combine those parts however you want as long as that combination is the same for the entire round.

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Old Dec 15, 2014, 09:26 PM
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Ok, got it.
That's more reasonable!
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Parts can be swapped, just not within a round, unless you have a midair. For example, if you have several midairs and can piece an airplane together from the remaining bits, this is okay. In other words, you are allowed enough parts to make up three models and you can combine those parts however you want as long as that combination is the same for the entire round.
Very often I program mixed wing-fuselage combos to my tx - just for the case of emergency if I am running out of planes.

To fly F3J cmpetitively one needs at least two planes, a light one and and a moderately heavy allround plane for the more windy rounds. The third plane depends of probable conditions, but for me it is usually another light plane. I like to take three planes with me to a competition although I try to fly just one plane if everything goes well and conditions do not require changing a plane.

I have also a plane for seriously strong winds, but I rarely need to use it. Unfortunately... I like flying in strong winds.
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Old Dec 24, 2014, 10:07 PM
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If three planes are pretty much a requirement it leads me to wonder about a follow up question. I was reading in the AMA publication and the Soaring columnist pointed out that contest ships become obsolete after only a few months. This would require recycling of ones fleet two or three times a season. At several thousand dollars a plane this would be prohibitively expensive for most hobbyists. Is F3B like car racing where only the heavily sponsored pilots are competitive? Also, what do guys do with the glut of used obsolete ships?
I looked into a contest ship once and of the two major suppliers in the US one didn't return emails and one tried to sell me a ship called an Explorer which at the time had been out for several years. Paying a few grand (Including electronics) for a state of the art glider is one thing but paying several grand for something collecting dust on a back shelf is quite another. Needless to say I gave up. What is crazy is that I fly contests in full scale but the process of starting out in RC contests is just too intimidating. Seems a bit backwards. Must say I still have lots of fun at the sport level of RC.
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Old Dec 24, 2014, 10:50 PM
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That's straight b.s., Doug.
It's been my experience that b and f planes are good design wise for at least a couple of seasons, sometimes more. Same with j ships.
If anything, dlg flying is harder contest wise than other disciplines.
I won a f3f race this year or last with my 2007 Ceres....
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