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Old Jan 27, 2013, 12:38 AM
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Thats pretty much how I do it too. No issues yet but I do get swirls.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 01:08 AM
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I always do a couple of coats of wax on my seasoned moulds and then I brush on watered down PVA. I found the full thickness PVA way too unforgiving, but when I watered it down it became a totally different beast!

I noticed a marked improvement if I leave the wax for at least an hour after bufffing off, then I give it another buff to shine the surface. This seems to let the PVA go on and dry like a mirror.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 01:29 AM
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Why use PVA on seasoned moulds.

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I always do a couple of coats of wax on my seasoned moulds and then I brush on watered down PVA. I found the full thickness PVA way too unforgiving, but when I watered it down it became a totally different beast!

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Why are you still using PVA if the moulds are seasoned?
See my post #507 here with reference to a paper that Adam of WWWorks originally posted a link to:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...339865&page=34
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 02:45 AM
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Dunno, just my routine...
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 03:27 AM
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Ive never been brave enough to use wax only either.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 05:55 AM
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Do a test strip first, like I described on my thread.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 06:50 AM
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Why are you still using PVA if the moulds are seasoned?
See my post #507 here with reference to a paper that Adam of WWWorks originally posted a link to:

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...339865&page=34
Does the same apply to epoxy? That reference is for polyester - significantly different cure methods. I tried wax-only with epoxy once. Lost the plug, so stuck with PVA ever since.

Does the mould surface end up with the sheen, or shiny like normal PVA?
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:07 PM
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Seasoned moulds only.

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Does the same apply to epoxy? That reference is for polyester - significantly different cure methods. I tried wax-only with epoxy once. Lost the plug, so stuck with PVA ever since.

Does the mould surface end up with the sheen, or shiny like normal PVA?
I suggest you read the article. Here it is again: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...339865&page=34

Wax only is not recommended for mould production. It is for seasoned moulds when producing parts from them.

Epoxy/vinyester/polyester moulds can be considered similar in terms of seasoning, so it seems.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:24 PM
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Thats it Jim, time for me to man up! I will do some test strips to make sure, but next wing I will do with wax only! Here I come crisp masked paint lines!
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:38 PM
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Thats it Jim, time for me to man up! I will do some test strips to make sure, but next wing I will do with wax only! Here I come crisp masked paint lines!
The second set of wings for my moulded plank are in the moulds ready for spars, servo wires and such detail before joining.
I treated the moulds with wax only. No PVA. However, I did a small test strip first, which pulled off very easily (see my blog). I did this on the second pull (used wax only), because of their age. They must be close to a year old.

edit: I'll post the results after I pull them. I've no reason to expect problems though.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 04:52 PM
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If there is no paint then epoxy on epoxy can be a stubborn release even on a seasoned mold.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 06:32 PM
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Thanks Adam, I'll make sure I do plenty of tests before I commit to moulding. Does it make it better that the mould and the part are made of the same resin? Either way I'll do some tests, maybe some ith paint and some without is a good idea.
Cheers- I havn't done any building for a while, I hope I remember how to do it!
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 06:34 PM
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I have done heaps of operations that used the same resin in the mold and part and had no problems. That may not be true with every resin though.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 07:13 PM
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If there is no paint then epoxy on epoxy can be a stubborn release even on a seasoned mold.
Is that with wax only Adam? Or with a semi-permanent? How seasoned?

Gives me cause for concern about my epoxy wing moulds.
Although, the test almost fell off.

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Also, one of the skins started to lift off the mould slightly when I was removing the peel ply even though I tore it off in narrow strips. It sprang back onto the mould though. I'm not too concerned really.
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Old Jan 27, 2013, 08:29 PM
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Jim, I'm talking about using wax only. Semi's with the right resin/paint release better than anything that I have ever tried.
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