Espritmodel.com Telemetry Radio
Reply
Thread Tools
Old Jan 31, 2008, 12:37 PM
Registered User
North Central TN USA
Joined May 2006
3,561 Posts
Discussion
Windex

So why is blue Windex with ammonia not recommended for plank bending, only clear? The only clear Windex I find has vinegar, not ammonia.
420TEE is online now Find More Posts by 420TEE
Reply With Quote
Sign up now
to remove ads between posts
Old Jan 31, 2008, 01:02 PM
WooHoo!
woodybob's Avatar
Lake Balboa, CA
Joined Jun 2007
5,063 Posts
Perhaps it has something to do with the fumes from steamed ammonia?

Ever fry a jalapeno? The fumes are brutal. It's like all the oxygen is sucked out of the kitchen.
woodybob is offline Find More Posts by woodybob
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 01:06 PM
master boat slacker
USA, NY, Mastic Beach
Joined Feb 2006
568 Posts
or the blue will stain the planks
bigford is offline Find More Posts by bigford
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 01:20 PM
Registered User
North Central TN USA
Joined May 2006
3,561 Posts
Planks will be epoxyed and painted anyway. This sugestion is from the Lyman direction book from M.A.C.K. Products. I've used blue before and never noted any blue color. I don't heat the Windex, just soak the planks.
420TEE is online now Find More Posts by 420TEE
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 01:37 PM
Registered User
Canada, BC, Victoria
Joined Feb 2006
1,111 Posts
I just use straight ammonia
smart_racer is offline Find More Posts by smart_racer
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 01:55 PM
Sea Dragon-Lover
Umi_Ryuzuki's Avatar
PDX, OR
Joined Dec 2002
10,125 Posts
I just use warm water...
Umi_Ryuzuki is online now Find More Posts by Umi_Ryuzuki
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 03:09 PM
KC8WPF
CG Bob's Avatar
Euclid, Ohio, United States
Joined Sep 2004
3,723 Posts
When I need to wet a plank for bending, I spray it with some water and heat the plank with a heat gun.

When all else fails, I use an oxy-acetylene torch and a 20 lb sledge hammer.
CG Bob is offline Find More Posts by CG Bob
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 03:34 PM
3 Blades to the Wind
Shaun Hendricks's Avatar
Atascadero, California, United States
Joined Oct 2004
4,085 Posts
vinegar weakens the celluar structure of organic substances, making them 'bendable'. It also weakens them.

I'd just use a small steam box. Steam penetrates the wood, heats it and makes it flexible. When it cools and dries, the hydrogen bonding left behind keeps the wood in the bent shape. A small steam box is super easy to make.

Big ones build big wood boats...
Shaun Hendricks is offline Find More Posts by Shaun Hendricks
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 05:07 PM
Registered User
USA, IN, Carmel
Joined Feb 2006
345 Posts
I'm with CGBob! (The second line!)
Swift16 is offline Find More Posts by Swift16
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 05:14 PM
Good Better Best quest.
olmod's Avatar
Australia, VIC, Cranbourne East
Joined Apr 2004
10,477 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun Hendricks
vinegar weakens the celluar structure of organic substances, making them 'bendable'. It also weakens them.

I'd just use a small steam box. Steam penetrates the wood, heats it and makes it flexible. When it cools and dries, the hydrogen bonding left behind keeps the wood in the bent shape. A small steam box is super easy to make.

Big ones build big wood boats...
Thats what i do and its great for removing warps in wings and things, and i finally found a use for that household hand held steam cleaner the wife bought to clean the shower recess with
olmod is online now Find More Posts by olmod
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 06:34 PM
Custom Course Wrecker..
Joined Dec 2004
417 Posts
<<So why is blue Windex with ammonia not recommended for plank bending,>>

I used it on the Dauntless build, and had ZERO problems with staining. I'll use it again. I think the staining thing is bunk.
ThrustTugKeith is offline Find More Posts by ThrustTugKeith
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 07:07 PM
Grumpa Tom
Kmot's Avatar
United States, CA, Los Angeles
Joined Sep 2003
22,848 Posts
Quote:
When all else fails, I use an oxy-acetylene torch and a 20 lb sledge hammer.
Is that a sense of humor I see CG Bob developing?
Kmot is online now Find More Posts by Kmot
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 07:19 PM
Registered User
Joined Dec 2004
3,700 Posts
420 TEE - The deal with not using blue Windex was strictly so their would be no chance for staining the wood. If you are going to epoxy and paint go to it, the blue Windex works great. The reason I know it will change the color of the wood (bass wood) was because it did so when I built the Midwest Peterborough canoe.
frankg is online now Find More Posts by frankg
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 08:46 PM
master boat slacker
USA, NY, Mastic Beach
Joined Feb 2006
568 Posts
see i said so
bigford is offline Find More Posts by bigford
Reply With Quote
Old Jan 31, 2008, 11:32 PM
KC8WPF
CG Bob's Avatar
Euclid, Ohio, United States
Joined Sep 2004
3,723 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kmot
Is that a sense of humor I see CG Bob developing?
No, just 27 years of experience using those items to fix a lot of USCG equipment. A word of caution: Do not use the torch near the CHT or its vents.
CG Bob is offline Find More Posts by CG Bob
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools