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Old Aug 12, 2007, 07:49 AM
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Cheryl Ann's sister...

Just found this neat photo set on "Highland Navigator" ex-"Shelter Island", sister to "Cheryl Ann" of the Waterfront series:
http://www.gpboats.com/Tug.htm

Has videos! With diesel sounds!
Also, whilst looking at the Youtube videos, I saw there are plenty of other work boat videos online... one has a crewboat accelerating away from an oil rig, real good engine sound on that one too.

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Old Aug 12, 2007, 02:36 PM
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The after deck is longer than the same on the only photo of Milton Patrick I have seen. The hull looks like the plastic Cheryl Ann model, perhaps they used this tug as the prototype. The super structure looks similar, though. Thanks for the link.
photo of Milton Patrick, ie "Cheryl Ann":
http://www.stlouisadmirals.com/CherylAnn.asp
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Old Nov 07, 2007, 03:46 AM
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The after deck is longer than the same on the only photo of Milton Patrick I have seen. The hull looks like the plastic Cheryl Ann model, perhaps they used this tug as the prototype. The super structure looks similar, though. Thanks for the link.
photo of Milton Patrick, ie "Cheryl Ann":
http://www.stlouisadmirals.com/CherylAnn.asp
Brooks, both boats were identical. Unfortunately, the Milton S. Patrick was scrapped about 12 years ago.
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Old Nov 07, 2007, 07:28 AM
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Is this the Cap'n Troy I used to know many years back?
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Is this the Cap'n Troy I used to know many years back?
Is this Kapitan Kalb?? What's going on old timer?
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Old Nov 07, 2007, 07:40 AM
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If both boats were identical, then one of the photos is mislabeled. Compare the length of the superstructure to the length of the afterdeck. The St. Louis Admiral's photo shows an afterdeck shorter than the superstructure, while Pat's photo shows an afterdeck as long as the superstructure. There is the problem of perspective, it would be nice to have broadside views of each, of course. I have read elsewhere that the model was not identical to the Patrick. To me, the model looks more like Pat's photo wrt superstructure/afterdeck proportions.

Today, we accept that a steel ship is built to the blueprints. But that was not always true for wooden hulls. Builders, to the dismay of desigers, often deviated. Chapelle says that one of the problems with comparing hulls is that unless you have data from the lines taken off the completed ship, say in drydock, you have to be cautious. He was speaking of pre-1900 ships, but I imagine the forces that lead builders to deviate back then were still present in the 1920's - lack of proper wood, lack of skilled workers, desire to save money, owner's new instructions, simple errors, etc.
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Old Nov 07, 2007, 07:46 AM
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Is this Kapitan Kalb?? What's going on old timer?
Yup, I'll get in touch soon, don't want to raid the guy's thread---.
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Old Nov 07, 2007, 08:25 AM
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Brooks, I see what you mean about the dimensions in the 2 different photos, but the boats were indeed identical. The John N. Stewart (later Wilmington, Shelter Island, Highland Navigator) and the Milton S. Patrick (later Terminal Island) were both launched at Muller Boatyard in 1926 and have identical measurements and tonnages.
The Milton S. Patrick starred as the Cheryl Ann and they based the model on her, but it's not really an accurate model, more like the kit maker put a tugboat-like wheelhouse on a pointy fishing boat hull.
I've got original builders plans (on silk!) for both boats and they were true sisters.
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Thank you for the link to pictures and videos of this tug, we had it when it was the shelter island, I have always wanted to find out where it ended up. It's such a cool tug I'm glad to see it in good condition and being used!
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Old Jul 27, 2013, 01:30 AM
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Thank you for the link to pictures and videos of this tug, we had it when it was the shelter island, I have always wanted to find out where it ended up. It's such a cool tug I'm glad to see it in good condition and being used!
Unfortunately, I don't think she's being used much anymore, the most recent photos I saw of her, she was laying in some backwater...

When did you own the boat?
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Old Jul 27, 2013, 10:34 AM
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Capntroy, any chance of getting a look at those plans. Been trying to find documentation for 30 years. I heard the underbody is distictly different from traditional tug design. Would love to build a model.
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Old Jul 27, 2013, 10:51 AM
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I've got original builders plans (on silk!) for both boats and they were true sisters.
Yes, don't just sit on such a treasure! Scan them and post them, sell them to a plans service, whatever- don't hide them though!

p.s., I have free access to a wonderful engineering scanner, hint hint nudge nudge
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The hull is typical, for a wood hull of that era. The "boat in your photo", has had quite a few changes, since being built in 1926.
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Old Jul 27, 2013, 02:52 PM
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Yeah, been meaning to dig them out and get some copies made, the silk is very fragile, probably should make some copies for safety...

Bill - the Milton S Patrick and John N. Stewart had typical tug hulls, a little stylized, but pretty standard.
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Old Jul 28, 2013, 11:56 AM
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Well a picture is worth a thousand words ! According to an article published in the 12/26 Pacific Motor Boat magazine concerning the two sister tugs " Their designer eliminated the round bottom tug design, and instead gave them considerable depth of hold with a good margin of deadrise, but a slack bilge in comparison with most work boat types. The design has proven its worth as the tugs are extremely easy to handle under all towing conditions, even in the worst weather. Fifteen tons of inside ballast adds to their easy riding qualities in a sea."

I know that the LA Maritime Museum has the drawings of these tugs in the William Muller collection but when I contacted them they just weren't interested in talking about getting access to them. I'am hoping one of you LA tug guys will give it a shot someday !
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