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Old Jun 27, 2012, 10:41 AM
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I'm probably gonna regret this, but I can't help myself.

She's gonna look like F-4C 63-7412, "We Bad", from William Tell 1984. I worked on the INS in this bird from the time we got her in the 191st until we switched to the D models.

They were, without doubt, the prettiest F-4s ever (twice voted so at W.T.) and we used to catch all kinds of flack from the I.G. over the shiny Air Defense Gray Imron paint jobs.
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 06:15 PM
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Nice job on the MLGs. The electrics look like they'll work well.

With a smog-grey paint job, plan to keep the jet close in...
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Old Jun 27, 2012, 09:12 PM
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Your'e right, the closer the better with gray. Even shiny gray. The checkerboard on the tail and ramps, and the stars and bars will help a little, but not much. Fortunately we have trees at both ends of the field, so that I'll have some contrast on takeoff and final.

I'm only going to fly this bird at the two paved fields close to home- a 300 foot runway in Midland, MI (where I'm a member) and the full size strip in Thompsonville that we get to use twice a year for the airshow.

None of the grass strips near here are suitable- too bumpy and a real risk of FOD. At 43,000 rpm, I don't want even a grain of sand to get in the intakes. Gonna start carrying a broom, along with my folding chair.
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Old Jun 29, 2012, 01:45 PM
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Sticking the parts to glass over the plans has to be one of the slickest techniques I've run across. Beats hell out of cleaning wax paper from the parts.
Another slick trick with glass is to use some type of clear plastic wrap stuck to the glass to keep the parts from sticking too well to the glass.

I usually use Saran Wrap. No glue is needed because it has 14.7 PSI pressing it to the glass. Often, you can easily remove the part by simply peeling up the plastic wrap.

I'll be following your build.

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Old Jun 29, 2012, 05:28 PM
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Daren:

Gluing directly to the glass seems to work ok. When it came time to remove one of the wing panels from the glass, I soaked a q tip in acetone and swabbed it on both sides of rib tabs, then used a steel ruler as kind of a drift to knock the tabs loose.
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Old Jun 30, 2012, 04:01 AM
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Howz the Family!

Good to see another Phantom on the boards.(glass) You won't be sorry for selecting this kit, Bob. And your doing a great job.

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Old Jul 01, 2012, 08:21 PM
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Wow, this is tough. I'm sort of where Bob is at, having built a few ARF's many kits and a few scratch builds. A couple of high performance airplanes including HOB (Uravitch A-7 Corsair II. Boy, that was a lead sled. I'm torn between Dan's beautiful F-4 and the on the drawing broads, wowplanes T-38. Decisions, decisions. Much to learn.

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Old Jul 01, 2012, 08:36 PM
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That's good info, Bob.

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Old Jul 01, 2012, 09:24 PM
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I hope you guys don't get impatient. The good flying weather is here, and I'm either down at the club field or Lake Cadillac whenever I can.

5 flights today- 1 on the Pulse 25e float plane; 2 on "Snoopy" (G60 electric Sopwith Camel) and 2 on the TRex 700E.

I was too worn out to work on 412.
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Old Aug 06, 2012, 04:00 PM
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Old Aug 06, 2012, 07:15 PM
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I hope you guys don't get impatient.
Nope, not at all. Take your time. As I like to say, make hay while the sun shines.
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Old Sep 04, 2012, 05:00 PM
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Some bad news, Dan, Daren...launching the Phantom saturday, and the bungee, for some reason did not dis-engage. It smaked nose down and broke the nose into pieces. Completely repairable. It broke only part way up the cockpit bay. But I'll need to get another glass nose for it.

Surprising, that was the only amount of damage. Light jets crash better! I think I figure out what happened. The ring attached to the hook was OK. The Tag line from the pedal shot forward and snagged the lower radome, below the nose piece. I need to attach a drag cloth to the pedal tag line for drag.

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Old Sep 04, 2012, 09:49 PM
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Some bad news, Dan, Daren...launching the Phantom saturday, and the bungee, for some reason did not dis-engage. It smaked nose down and broke the nose into pieces. Completely repairable. It broke only part way up the cockpit bay. But I'll need to get another glass nose for it.
Ouchie!

I just checked and I don't have any spares laying around to send you. If you want to order a new nose cone go to my web site and order the molded parts set ($49.99) and I'll refund you $29.99.

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Old Sep 05, 2012, 01:30 AM
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Thanx, Dan. Won't need it for a while. I'm not one to repair a plane this late in the season.

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Old Sep 05, 2012, 09:24 AM
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NP. Order it when you're ready.
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