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Old May 21, 2014, 12:49 PM
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Sailboat Winch Set-Ups

How do you guys set-up your winch? The Victor America Cubed Instructions show an Airtronics Winch, with turning blocks on the arms, a shorter one for the jib and a longer one for the main. This product from Airtronics does not seem to be available any longer.

I would like to use my Hitech Servo winch, which only has one arm. I understand that the jib sheet will need to be turned back on itself to use this servo. I find that any looseness in the sheets, allows the sheets to tangle with anything in the radio compartment and any turn back of the lines really need to be run through a small block, to cut down on line drag.

Some photos of how you ran your sheets to you winch would be very helpful.

Thanks!
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Old May 21, 2014, 02:52 PM
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I've used lexan and ply to make arms, plus used the original servo arm. It all depends on what you need. I have boats with pulleys on the arms, and some with large holes. Pulleys are better (less drag), but the others work. The bigger the turning radius, the better.
I also use a piece of thin plastic to keep the slack sheets from fouling on the radio gear. A big piece can be cut from the clamshell container for grocery store cupcakes/cookies. Punch a hole where the sail servo stem comes through and just let it rest on the top of the servo. The slack sheets just lay on the guard.
Keep it simple and it works better. And make sure you place a drop of CA on the knots. They have a nasty tendency to come undone at the wrong time.

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Old May 21, 2014, 03:41 PM
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Thanks Dave, great suggestions! Where do you get your small turning blocks? I will have to buy some donuts, so I can scavenge the packaging! Agree, applying CA to all knots, is a must. I also CA the ends of the rigging lines, making them much easier to thread through the various holes, Bowseys and eyes.
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Old May 21, 2014, 04:35 PM
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This issue from AMYA is old (2005) but has some really good articles covering things such as winch's.

http://www.theamya.org/my/138-SampleWebEdition0801.pdf
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Old May 21, 2014, 05:07 PM
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Thanks Ted, where do you guys find small running rigging blocks?
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Old May 21, 2014, 05:19 PM
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Thanks Ted, where do you guys find small running rigging blocks?
My first choice

http://stores.rcsailboatparts.com/

or eBay at:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/?_from=R40&_...All-Categories

See next post.
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Old May 21, 2014, 05:46 PM
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I use these. The Hales are the best around.

http://www.midwestmodelyachting.com/Blocks.asp

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Old May 23, 2014, 11:11 AM
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And I like these: http://www.longbeachrc.com/collectio...ree-flat-mount
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Old May 27, 2014, 03:56 PM
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Keep in mind, any armwinch setup will require a bungee to keep things from getting tangled.
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Old May 28, 2014, 06:10 AM
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Keep in mind, any armwinch setup will require a bungee to keep things from getting tangled.
Can I assume what you mean is that the sheets have tensioners on them, keeping them tight, even when the sheets are loosened? A photo of how you have set this up, would be worth a thosand words!

My buddy showed up over the weekend; so, I got to look over his radio installation in his America Cubed. He showed me that Victor Model Products again shorted me an important part, and that is the adapter arm for the winch servo with the brass fairleads for the sheets! So, I'm in the process of building my own from a piece of Micarta (an old Circuit Board material) I had laying around. My fairleads will be made from small washers glued to the top and bottom of the Micarta. By doing it the way Victor designed it, I have eliminated the turn back fairlead for the jib sheet.

I have also bought an Airtronics Winch Servo off Ebay with rollers at the ends of the servo arms, for either a future project; or, replacement of my Hitech Sail winch.
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Old May 28, 2014, 07:27 AM
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I use a continuous loop on a drum winch and put all the routing on the deck. Once I get the system timed, it works great with no problems.
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Old May 28, 2014, 10:31 AM
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Mike a picture is worth a thousand words, especially for a new sailor.
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Old May 28, 2014, 11:40 AM
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See Les Gilbert's One Meter site. I use the closed loop system. http://www.onemetre.net/Build/Drums/Drums.htm
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Old Jun 01, 2014, 07:22 AM
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Mike Denest, I don't see how the difference in the "Sheeting In" length difference of the jib and main is compensated for with your system. Generally, the jib needs less length to "Sheet In" than the main with model sailboats. Although a boat could certainly be built with the same amount of length, to "Sheet In", I don't see this generally being the case.

Possibly the step pulleys shown have something to do with taking care of this situation.
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Old Jun 01, 2014, 08:23 AM
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Mike Denest, I don't see how the difference in the "Sheeting In" length difference of the jib and main is compensated for with your system. Generally, the jib needs less length to "Sheet In" than the main with model sailboats. .
Different pivot points is how on my RG 65's with a continuous loop drum.
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