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Old Feb 17, 2011, 04:51 PM
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Going mental - First DLG?

OK, I am quite sure that this has been asked so many times and I know I deserve to be shot down in flames but I'm going to hang it out there anyway.

I am new to sailplanes but have just had my first taste of unpowered flight and got hooked. I have recently moved from the UK to Switzerland where we have fantastic gliding conditions so this is where I shall be spending my summer afternoons, with an acheing neck!

I am looking to get a DLG but have been searching for days and weeks now and am totally lost.

Here's the brief:

1. I am a ponse, I like my toys to look good so plently of carbon, D-box, kevlar, etc
2. I am tight. No more than £300 really (this is a birthday present)
3. I learn very quick. No point in buying a RE ship as this will get very boring very quickily.
4. I am tall. 6'3". So no minis etc as I will probably find them too light and small to launch comfortably.
5. My building skills are pretty rusty but I have patience and an eye for detail.
6. I am a perfectionist. I really don't like bad fit and finish on anything.
7. I don't seem to like balsa. I am very much a modern composites kinda guy (see point 1)
8. I'd love to be able to put the DLG in the boot of the car on trips around Europe. Nothing too fragile and some sort of dis-assembly capability would be a bonus.
9. I recently invested in a 2.4 Spektrum rig so it needs to be 2.4ghz friendly.
10. I like to get good value for money. By this I mean that I like a model to cover a range of conditions and be able to grow with my ability not just be for a narrow window.


I know, I know, I am looking for the holy grail but all I am really looking for is a good looking, modern all-rounder, the grail can wait.


So, I have been tempted so far by the following:

Elf mini - too small and only RE. Might get bored.
FW Mini Q - still small but might be better than the Elf as it has ailerons (until I realised it had lost the rudder function, back to the drawing board)
Blaster 2 or 3 - good, solid contenders.
SALpeter - a tad pricey but nice looking
Steigeisen - very up my street but over budget
FW 5 'Flow' - 100% what I like but again, over budget (any way to get one cheaper???)
Concept - again, stunning sailplane but out of reach on the money side.

You get where I am going with the taste thing but my pockets just aren't deep enough this year (getting married!!) but am busting to cash in my birthday voucher from the fiancee.

Those who wish to flame me for not using the search function etc, please hold you tongue as I have been searching for weeks and am just getting more and more confused with the huge, and growing, number of DLGs out on the market today. You guys have been so generous with your reviews and help of all sorts of planes, I just can't decide!
Those who have useful input, I'd love to hear from you and will be very grateful of your knowledge. I will reward you all with awful videos of my dog getting worked up before launch and me faffing about doing preflight checks!

Big thanks!
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 05:05 PM
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Point #1 is the one that will make your request practically impossible. I think. Carbon used in DLGs for D-box is spread tow. Look up the price of spread tow carbon and you will see what I mean. For that matter, the other materials that go into such a plane are not cheap.

In your price range, I think you are looking at eastern European or asian manufacture. There are some good planes there, and I think prices are still a little cheaper. But they will not likely be the "big name" planes. I do not know what they cost, but perhaps something like a JJEdge or an Akcent-2 or a Predator-II. Or as you observed, a Blaster 2 or 3. Alternatively, pick up a good low mileage used DLG at a contest or from members of a club.

Good luck!

Gerald
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 05:17 PM
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The Predator II is very affordable and sexy looking for the money, but the d-box wing alone is $250. Add shipping and your already at budget....and you don't even have a whole plane yet

You need to up your budget to about 450 to get enough carbon to suit your taste and to cover shipping.
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 05:32 PM
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The Predator II is very affordable and sexy looking for the money, but the d-box wing alone is $250. Add shipping and your already at budget....and you don't even have a whole plane yet

You need to up your budget to about 450 to get enough carbon to suit your taste and to cover shipping.
Pounds. His budget is nearly $500USD at current rates, I'd say PredatorII.

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Old Feb 17, 2011, 05:32 PM
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are you following me, siggy? i got the radian pro for christmas. now i'm looking at DLG's (and considering other types of higher performance, too).

better keep your dog and your luggage far from these DLG's, from what i've seen. they are NOT the strongest planes by a long shot. their coverings seem very thin to save weight. by my impression, they are close to potato chips.
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 05:48 PM
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I'm in what you could say is my honeymoon period as I'm new to DLG too, also for what its worth also about your hight and like things that look good.

I started out resently with an Elf - you can fly it anywhere and its perfect for a perminent boot resident for when the need and weather is there.
I have also just gone and got a Blaster 2 - which is fantastic.
Both look great - fantastic finish and the Elf flys and floats as good as can be expected.
I have yet to maiden the Blaster but I'm glad I have both.
If I had to start again I still would get the Elf and then the Blaster when I had the spare cash, just because the Elf is RE doesn't make it a lesser DLG - its a fun floater which doesn't get boring at all.

Hope that helps...
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 06:22 PM
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You will find once you fly the bigger DLG, that much more performance is available than what a smaller plane can deliver. If there is any interest in contest flying, I would recommend going straight to a 1.5M DLG and skipping the smaller ones. And I would recommend to anyone to go fly one or more contests. They are a blast! You will learn more in one contest than you would learn by yourself in a half a year or more of flying.

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Old Feb 17, 2011, 06:30 PM
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Not to confuse the issue, but as to the performance of the elf. I was in a small contest with about 10 pilots give or take, and in the morning rounds one of those little things kicked everyone's butts!! Of course, once the wind picked up past 8mph the "big dogs" made a comeback.....but I remain humbled (and impressed) by the little elf

It's a joy to just sit there staring at the beautiful intricate little carbon bits too....good for more than a few evenings entertainment for me
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 06:44 PM
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Buying new?... Predator II

Used is better... yer gonna crash it.

Good Luck
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 07:00 PM
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Old Feb 17, 2011, 07:20 PM
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Think about a TopSky- great entry level craft and not too expensive. Flies nice- I like mine. 2.4 works fine.

Competition style DLG's are extremely strong in some ways, but tremendously fragile in others. You won't be tossing one of these into the boot. Not a TopSky and certainly not a Steigeisen. Better work that into your plans.

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Old Feb 17, 2011, 09:12 PM
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Sounds like you'll be quickly dissatisfied with anything that isn't a "real" dlg, so I'd forget the minis and go straight for a 1.5m. I'd say Blaster 2 hands down - within your budget and a lovely model. Extremely pretty in it's own particular way too - I think you'd learn to love its looks


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Old Feb 17, 2011, 09:53 PM
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Buy a used beater DLG and put some iron-on carbon-look film on the wing to appease your friends.

Done.

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Old Feb 17, 2011, 10:04 PM
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Buy a used beater DLG and put some iron-on carbon-look film on the wing to appease your friends.

Done.

Sean
yea,And whatever you do ,dont make the greatest sin known to the DLG crowd by buying the FLING DLG

Fling hand launch and 2 meter I hear are pretty nice .

REPEAT! Dont buy the FLING DLG .
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Old Feb 18, 2011, 12:12 AM
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So far as putting the plane in the boot goes, the problem with 60 inch DLGs is they almost always are 1piece wings and a 1.5 meter part requires a pretty big and clumsy box. If you are traveling by yourself or someone very careful you can just lay the planes on top of luggage but if you have any kids anywhere in the equation having the plane in a box is a good idea.

I think dLGs are quite durable. I have only had bagged ones but they really take a beating.
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