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Old Jun 01, 2010, 03:10 PM
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Ali spinners also work as very good heatsinks. Ive had a few planes that come down with warm spinners .

Cutting shafts isnt hard. 2 seconds with a dremel or 30 seconds with a file. Its worth it
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 04:50 PM
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Ali spinners also work as very good heatsinks. Ive had a few planes that come down with warm spinners .

Cutting shafts isnt hard. 2 seconds with a dremel or 30 seconds with a file. Its worth it
I change out my inrunner motors frequently for different apps. I NEED THE LONG SHAFT.
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 08:43 PM
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Hmm there's another rifle at a lhs.. Do I get it and do the mods or save for the $269 airframe and $115 motor that I want?? I say get both but the rifle will delay my super pylon project by a week. All I see is that I could be flying this weekend...what's a guy to do?
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 08:58 PM
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Saw this on my LHS shelf and was tempted...

Next day saw one fly and was blown away! Wow!!!

Bought one today and started the build, got to step 10 page 6 and one of the countersink screws twisted off about halfway in. With very little force too. Crap.

Cheap screws?

Now, I can't get the broken half out and where am I going to find a small 2mmx8mm counter-sink screw (that is of a higher quality than the one provided) to replace it?

That's my build so far...
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 09:08 PM
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Ouch! Nada good! Sorry to hear that John. I think I may be able to source a screw for you over here at a LHS (Local Hardware Store that is! ) I'll let you know if they have them tomorrow. Now, how to extract the broken one ...
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 09:14 PM
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MikeRx, go for the $269 machine, once youve flown it you'll forget about the rifle

Im waiting for Electrifly too bring out the V2 with better QC standards, Ive more than done my thing with poorly built ARF's and cant be assed. Id rather spend the extra $100 and get a proper speed400 pylon plane.
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 10:20 PM
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Measure your HET shaft. Heh heh heh. Let me know how long it is, heh heh.

lol. the het shaft measured about 12mm, and the mega looked 10.5 ish mm.
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 10:26 PM
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Hmm there's another rifle at a lhs.. Do I get it and do the mods or save for the $269 airframe and $115 motor that I want?? I say get both but the rifle will delay my super pylon project by a week. All I see is that I could be flying this weekend...what's a guy to do?
What's the $269 machine? Sunracer II?

Here is my Rifle after the wing snapped.
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Old Jun 01, 2010, 10:33 PM
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now that I've attempted to build one, better quality hardware?

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Gentlemen,

I wanted to let you all know that I am reading your posts and forwarding pertinent information up the line. I have also forwarded links to many of your posts directly to those concerned. Finally, I went back and re read all of the posts to compile a list of accounts of failures. Where possible, I also noted a possible reason for the failure from additional data that was provided by the person who posted. It was a tedious task, but to the best of my ability here is the list:

(1 model) Lost control/crash; (reason undetermined, pilot was using a 4S battery)
(3 models) Loose/detached firewalls; (one model had been previously crashed, no additional data was provided for the other two accounts)
(2 models) Folded wings; (first instance reports stock motor and recommended prop, but no additional or follow-information was provided, the second was using a slightly larger motor and battery).
(1 model) Mounting block for elevator servo mount came loose
(1 model) Wing mounting tab broke; (not certain of components used)
(0) Complaints/claims made to Great Planes Product Support

We read the accounts of defects/failures posted in this thread, but until the Company is contacted directly and all pertinent information has been gathered (including, likely the remains of the plane), it is difficult to determine for certain the cause of failure and any reinforcement/modification that may be necessary—not that your claims are not valid or real.

This isn’t to say all the failures are to be blamed on larger motors or batteries, but please also bear in mind the following. It is from page 6 in the instruction manual under “PRECAUTIONS”:

6. While this kit has been flight tested to exceed normal use, if the plane will be used for extremely high stress flying, such as racing, or if a motor larger than recommended is used, the modeler is responsible for taking steps to reinforce the high stress points and/or substituting hardware more suitable for the increased stress.

I do not want to appear as though we are dismissing the accounts posted in this thread. We are investigating the possibility of reinforcing the airframe if necessary, but until we hear about failures through the proper channels and have the opportunity to examine the remains we cannot draw conclusions about the precise cause of the failure. If you truly feel your model failed by no cause of your own, by all means please feel free to contact Product Support.

Sincerely,

Tim
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 05:21 AM
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What's the $269 machine? Sunracer II?
I was wondering the same thing.

It's too bad that they no longer make the Escape.
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 07:00 AM
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I was wondering the same thing.

It's too bad that they no longer make the Escape.
Been trying to get my hands on an Escape for the past year. When they come up for sale, they are used and selling for more than a new one. Supposedly the builder of the Escape has a new model in the works. We shall see.
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 07:02 AM
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I was wondering the same thing.

It's too bad that they no longer make the Escape.
Yes, the sunracer. After studying all the available designs, I think this one Is the best blend of craftmanship, price, and size.. Not to mention it will take 180 mph+ systems. I have concerns with balancing using the light motor I was hoping to get (neu 1105). I would rather use a bigger motor before adding lead as some pilots have had to do. I'm still researching but the goal is light 3s system in the 130mph range expandable to light 4s and 150mph+
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 09:20 AM
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Saw this on my LHS shelf and was tempted...

Next day saw one fly and was blown away! Wow!!!

Bought one today and started the build, got to step 10 page 6 and one of the countersink screws twisted off about halfway in. With very little force too. Crap.

Cheap screws?

Now, I can't get the broken half out and where am I going to find a small 2mmx8mm counter-sink screw (that is of a higher quality than the one provided) to replace it?

That's my build so far...


John sorry to see that screw break off. I deal with the oversea manufactures each day and you did nothing wrong. The holes for the horizontal stabilizer are quite a bit smaller than the screw. The Screws used are freaking the worse material. Soft poor excuse for hardware. I got my screws just about all the way in and the tops rounded off. Too much pressure=broken screws or rounding off a screw head. Your only choice is to use better counter sunk screws. Go to your LHS and go to the RC Car section and match up some similar screws. Good luck and keep on building!

Happy Flying,

Pete
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 09:20 AM
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What's the $269 machine? Sunracer II?

Here is my Rifle after the wing snapped.
Ouch! Sorry to see that Johnny!
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Old Jun 02, 2010, 02:12 PM
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I may get the pogo this weekend or a rifle built up to MEGA motor standards.. may be able to construct one good ammo out of the 2 smashed ones that I have.. and I already have 100 mph gear for a pogo if I go that route
I turn 40 soon so I will let the good stuff come as a gift
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