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Old May 21, 2015, 10:38 PM
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Patents and Hepatitis C.

Another thread running about shared needles and Hep C. Nasty incurable disease until recently. . Transmitted by shared blood from needles and sex . Blood transfusions, organs etc are now screened. Similar to HIV transmission.

A Pharm Company found a cure after spending mucho $. They are now running adds on TV about it, Harvoni. Cost for 12 pills is $94 ,000. A typical Cancer treatment now costs about $100K for a years treatment. Insurance companies are not happy.

Anti patent groups word wide want the patent to be disallowed so other companies can produce it a a very low cost. Do you think all drugs should not be patentable?
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Old May 22, 2015, 01:29 AM
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Who would do the research to come up with the next Harvoni? Obviously I think $94k is outrageous like anyone else would. Yet a good return on investment will fuel more new drug development. We obviously need to meet somewhere in the middle with the drug companies on this issue.
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Old May 22, 2015, 02:03 AM
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$94k for a cure for Hep C is outrageous?

What do you think was spent unsuccessfully keeping folks alive with Hep C?

I had a colleague die from it, but first liver cancer, months of hospitalization, treatments of all sorts - $94k has to be the bargain of all time.

If people were just dying while popping a few aspirin, you might have a point.
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I remember reading up on HepC, with the controversy it has, as I had a relative diagnosed with it. I recall coming upon a study mentioning the use of vitamin D3 along with older standard less expensive treatments curing most of HepC.

Vitamin D is cheap, and the drugs mentioned in the article I do not believe to be terribly expensive. Maybe that could be a route to use for a less expensive treatment course.

"Study: Vitamin D could help fight hepatitis C
Already heralded in battling cancer, Vitamin D may also be key to curing hepatitis. But Israelis, especially the ultra-Orthodox, are woefully deficient."

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...tis-c-1.261432

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...The initial results show that six months after the end of treatment, 90 percent of patients treated with drug therapy and vitamin D supplements had the virus disappear and completely recovered.

"The drug treatment for hepatitis C patients is usually administered for around a year, and occasionally the virus disappears from the blood, but remains in other places, for example, in the liver and lymph glands," explained Nimer, the director of the Liver Disease Unit at Rebecca Sieff Hospital. "At the end of the treatment, the virus may return to the blood, but we found that in patients who were also given the vitamin D supplement, the virus did not return, that is, it was excreted by the body."...
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My son has recently been cured of HepC using Interferon and Ribavirin - but not including Vitamin D.

(He had previously tried Interferon on it's own, but it did too much damage to his white blood cells.)

I rather think that Vitamin D is just an 'extra' - and that the costs etc mentioned are actually for the 'main' treatment, which is Interferon etc. and I suspect that the emotive 'cure' for Hep C is just that - emotive waffle..
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My son has recently been cured of HepC using Interferon and Ribavirin - but not including Vitamin D.
Hey, that is great news!
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There are several new drugs out in the last year or less that have about a 98% cure rate with no interferon. The treatment is for 3 months and one is considered cured after 6 months following the treatment if no virus is detecte in the blood.
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Hey, that is great news!
Yep! Been about a year now - so we hope it continues to stay that way.
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If the anti-patent advocates feel the medications should be allowed to be produced by companies other than those who paid for the research into its creation, they should lobby the government to either pay for the research up front for the common good, or to pay them for it after the fact.
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If the anti-patent advocates feel the medications should be allowed to be produced by companies other than those who paid for the research into its creation, they should lobby the government to either pay for the research up front for the common good, or to pay them for it after the fact.
and funny that some of the biggest yappers about "unfair" patent protection on drugs (which in reality usually lasts 10 years or so due to the decade it takes to get FDA approval...) are set to benefit from the now basically infinite protection granted under copyright law... heck many dead celebrities estates and families now earn more than they did when the artist was alive...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothyp...d-celebrities/

but cure one of the most deadly diseases known to man and..."you didn't build that !"...
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and funny that some of the biggest yappers about "unfair" patent protection on drugs (which in reality usually lasts 10 years or so due to the decade it takes to get FDA approval...) are set to benefit from the now basically infinite protection granted under copyright law... heck many dead celebrities estates and families now earn more than they did when the artist was alive...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dorothyp...d-celebrities/

but cure one of the most deadly diseases known to man and..."you didn't build that !"...

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Radix, your one of the few here that plays attention to subjects that effect us all. The Democrats and Clinton who accept more backdoor lobby money then then the poor Republicans ramped this law though with the public kept in the dark. Voters are so stupid. Sonny Bono was the main honcho on this bill. . Our Constitution mentions copyrights limits but you would never know it. Some of the Richest Families in America have or will establish dynasties based on long dead ancestors like the Gershwin's or Disney.

People here complain constantly about the rich. Well, here are the Richest families , long term, of all and we say nothing. It's the Democrat's bought off with pocket change pulling it off. The amount of money needed to buy a Politician's soul is mention in public lore as a 2 bit Wxxx.


Simply amazing how corrupt Congress and the Presidents have become. . Yet a Clinton will be elected to obtain more money and power because of idiot voters.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copy_Term_Extension_Act
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Another thread running about shared needles and Hep C. Nasty incurable disease until recently. . Transmitted by shared blood from needles and sex . Blood transfusions, organs etc are now screened. Similar to HIV transmission.

A Pharm Company found a cure after spending mucho $. They are now running adds on TV about it, Harvoni. Cost for 12 pills is $94 ,000. A typical Cancer treatment now costs about $100K for a years treatment. Insurance companies are not happy.

Anti patent groups word wide want the patent to be disallowed so other companies can produce it a a very low cost. Do you think all drugs should not be patentable?
Why make the investment? If you wont get it back....I mean with the no god so no browny points for doing good ......honestly why ? Good thoughts dont pay off the stock holders..... now if it is done in a government university......Yeah the dude that thought this up should be given a pat on the head.....but the people in this case are the stockholders... Further more if a government employee is about to have a break through quits or takes his work private so he can profit.....he should be in jail
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If the anti-patent advocates feel the medications should be allowed to be produced by companies other than those who paid for the research into its creation, they should lobby the government to either pay for the research up front for the common good, or to pay them for it after the fact.
I agree.
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