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Old Sep 28, 2007, 07:26 AM
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Flying at unregested sites

I have been thinking of this for a while now ,should we fly at sites that are not registered with the MAS in Australia ?

My reasoning is that there are some sites on the Eastern sea board that have quite heavy pedestrian traffic & restricted flying & landing spaces,what happens if someone is flying there & they hit a pedestrian?

Should we try to advise people that flying at these sites is not recommended or sanctioned by the MAS ?

Should members of the MAS & a registered club fly at these sites?,would there MAAA insurance cover them if they were to hit some one or damage some thing?

What are you thoughts

Rick
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:10 AM
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Depends wat type aircraft you fly & the size of the park but it comes down to the pilots judgement. Ofcourse it doesnt mean u can fly ur 40 size trainer at the local park.
If there are people in the park i dont fly my "electrics" i just go find another empty park or if someone turns up while im flying i make the descision to pack up n go home.

The MAAA will not cover a member at a non sanctioned area if something does go wrong as i beleive.

Recommending People to fly at registered clubs is always the better choice as its safer n better controlled environment also there is alot of help around.

In the end its always the pilots choice whether or not it is safe to fly in the area.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:32 AM
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I'm with you Mistro. If you arrive at a place to fly and there are people there, go somewhere else.

5.1 General prohibition on unsafe operation. (101.005)
A person must not operate an unmanned aircraft (Model aircraft) in a way that creates a hazard to another aircraft, another person, or property.

5.4 Keeping model aircraft away from people (101.395)
A person must not operate a model aircraft over a populous area at a height less than the height from which, if any of its components fails, it would be able to clear the area
Someone who is operating a powered model aircraft must ensure that, while the model aircraft is IN FLIGHT, or is LANDING or TAKING OFF, it stays at least 30 metres away from anyone not directly associated with the operation of model aircraft..................


Play it safe, if someone turns up and approaches to close, I just keep the plane away if possible or land and give it away if I can't.

Putting the rules and insurance issues aside, who wants to be responsible for causing injury or worse to someone anyway.

My 2 bobs worth.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:33 AM
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An age old Question Rick and one thats impossible to answer for those of us that fly registered sites the answer is obvious but I agree with it being up to the pilot to make the call on if they should fly or not and not to dis the electric side Rick was refering mainly to slope flying . I dont think that any real results can be achieved but advising someone flying of the legal obligations they face if some thing goes wrong is usually met with it wont happen to me ,or a reference to travel in a hurry .
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:44 AM
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While on this subject guys, is it possible to be a member of a club and in being a member be insured but not necessarily be an active member of the club. ie. by attending meetings etc.

Hope that question makes sense.

Neil.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:47 AM
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Neil if you are a finacial member of a club your insurance is valid on a registered site regardless of if you go to meetings or not.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 03:58 AM
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I read somewhere that the insurance cover can be for other than club sites provided you have permission to fly there ie. from the land holder or responsible authority and that you operate safely within the guidelines.

Is this so or am I dreaming?

Sorry for hijacking your thread Rick.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 04:16 AM
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Getting permission is one thing registering the site as an official model aircraft flying site is another ,sorry just having permission is not enough you must have the site registered ,you could have permission from the land holder but if you are in violation of the close field operations clause your permission is not worth squat.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 04:22 AM
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So basically flying a parkflyer down at the local footy ground or sloping on a hill that you find suitable is not covered.

Thanks for the info Steve.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 04:26 AM
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Yep thats pretty much it Neil.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 04:33 AM
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Which means no more flying at Blackheath or Gerringong, or if you do, dont have an insurance claim.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 05:22 AM
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or sandon point or cronulla or hill 60, look the list is a mile long, we all probably have been guilty of flying at these places ,but may be we shouldn't advertise these places on the groups to much ?

Rick
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 05:27 AM
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Hi Guys

I really like flying at my local park, but for the reason of safety I have started to fly at the local model club again. It gives you peace of mind to fly there and you know you are covered in case of the worst thing is to happen.
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 06:29 AM
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Hi Guys

I really like flying at my local park, but for the reason of safety I have started to fly at the local model club again. It gives you peace of mind to fly there and you know you are covered in case of the worst thing is to happen.
Bullseye!! Spot on!! etc

The biggest problem is that when an incident does and it will happen and some kid loses an eye in a park due to a novice trying to fly it will bring our whole hobby into the firing line.

I know alot of people argue that it is expensive to join a club but what will cost you more in the long run?

Hitting someone or their proerty? and getting sued?

or

paying a yearly fee that provides such things as being helped from day one at your new club by experienced pilots and learning to fly safely and react to different situations that may arise, meeting great new mates and becoming good friends and pilots together.

The cost is yours
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Old Sep 29, 2007, 05:17 PM
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Registered slope sites?

So, how many of the popular parkflyer & slope sites thru-out Aust are now registered?
And what are the current requirements re pits-spectators-flightline separation for these classes of model?

EGB.
(Who has been out of action a lo---ong time).
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