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Old Feb 18, 2013, 06:29 AM
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Hmmm...just found this stuff from BP Hobbies. It's called LW Tissue. Anyone ever heard of it or used it? It says it's moisture resistant and can be ironed on.

https://www.bphobbies.com/view.asp?id=V986335
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 08:19 AM
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I think that's one of their polyester tissues- aka Litespan. The coatings applied are a bit different, so some are lighter (and more porous) than others. I've used the stuff on RC ships and also on big rubber ships- the fuselage of a Super Snooper. I think it replaces bamboo paper or heavy colored silkspan (I still have some of that stuff- untouched for decades now...)

If you're just building for fun- some of the clear plastic films used on indoor stuff are actually pretty tough- I covered a 25" Comet Stinson with some- hit it with marker, and it's done fine for years- looks like heck, but flies fine. I, of course, use RC 56 for adhesion purposes.....

Some guys used to use the translucent Reynold's Crystal Clear Wrap- haven't seen that stuff in years though- with a glue stick. Did OK on stick fuse models around 16" span and larger- but if building p-nuts, I'd stick with tissue or the thin plastic. One other downside to the plastic- it's got nowhere near the resistance to elongation that tissue does- it stretches readily. What this means is that it adds very little torsional rigidity to a structure and that's something tissue does well.

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Old Feb 18, 2013, 10:56 AM
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Yeah, if you're flying then I'd suggest you really don't want to be packing a lot of liquids.

It's not the end of the world if you build and cover to the point of doping and then finish things off when you return home. Just be sure that you've got a hard case box that fits in your check in luggage to hold the airframe bits when built and covered.
I'll be gone for extended periods of time, probably at least three months at a time. I think I will have a look at the LW Tissue and also CoverLite. Both seem to be options. But from what I understand the LW Tissue may be the same as "Airspan" and is even light enough to use on peanut models. The description at the BP website says that it is heat shirinkable and moisture resistant. Sounds perfect. But we'll see. If push comes to shove I'll just have a friend ship me out the traditional doping supplies.

I will post some build pics. I'll probably start with something simple like a Peck Bostonian Pub or Prairie Bird.

Again, thanks for all the help!
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 08:38 PM
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Flyer,

2-layer corrugated cardbord also works well for building surface.

I personally would stay with dope & tissue. Just pre-doping framework and attaching tissue would not be smelly enough to raise concerns. You could cure doped tissue in your/rental car. Air out before starting out in morning. Leave curing parts curing in trunk. This time of year should not be too hot in car.

Gooseneck lamp very good suggestion.

Consider going larger than P-nut, say p-30 (much easier to succeed). Also look into catapult glider, tip-launch glider. Finish can be rubbed onto all balsa surfaces with your fingertips. If suitable, there exists cigarette pack size radio DT that allows flying and DTing when small field (ball diamond)/wind directions dictate.

Laser cut, pre-colored all sheet models are offered today. They are rubber FF. We are actually living in the golden age of laser kits. Look beyond original likes. You can build 1/32" sheet, good flying models that eliminates odor problems while on the road. I enjoy building in my truck camper while camped at Muncie AMA field.

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Old Feb 19, 2013, 07:52 AM
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Hi Sam

Who's selling laser cut pre colored all sheet models? I'm building with kids- would love a few.

Thanks,

Sam
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Old Feb 19, 2013, 04:09 PM
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Flyer,

Consider going larger than P-nut, say p-30 (much easier to succeed). Also look into catapult glider, tip-launch glider. Finish can be rubbed onto all balsa surfaces with your fingertips. If suitable, there exists cigarette pack size radio DT that allows flying and DTing when small field (ball diamond)/wind directions dictate.


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Would love to do a P-30 but unfortunately space will be at a premium. I will be traveling with a crew of about 15 people all sharing two rental vehicles plus one large crew van. My building kit will have to all fit in a large suitcase

But that's okay. I've really had the peanut bug for a while now. I built the Peck Nesmith Cougar about 20 years ago and it was just a little jewel in the air.

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Old Feb 22, 2013, 05:13 PM
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Might want to consider making cute little "mini stick" type planes you can fly in the hotel room. They build fast so long as you don't get excessively anal about it.
I did this while working in Las Vegas. I hated the casino scene and don't gamble, so I made little rubber powered planes.
I got to where I'd lie in bed with the TV on, wind up and launch the planes, they'd get 15 to 30 seconds flying in circles, and once I got the number of turns just right they'd land right on the bed next to me. It was a fun trip.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:52 AM
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Might want to consider making cute little "mini stick" type planes you can fly in the hotel room. They build fast so long as you don't get excessively anal about it.
I did this while working in Las Vegas. I hated the casino scene and don't gamble, so I made little rubber powered planes.
I got to where I'd lie in bed with the TV on, wind up and launch the planes, they'd get 15 to 30 seconds flying in circles, and once I got the number of turns just right they'd land right on the bed next to me. It was a fun trip.
That sounds pretty cool. Do you happen to know where I might find some plans for that sort of model? Seems like it would have to be awfully small but I'm interested in the idea. Sounds like it would make a great challenge.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 11:12 AM
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Hi,

Here's the Swedish 'ROOM FLYER'
Weight target should be ≈ 2 - 2 grams.
A tilted stab is essential (shown at the upper right corner of plan...)

(note the PDF full-size plan at the bottom)

Never mind the language...you'll figure it out....

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Old Feb 23, 2013, 08:56 PM
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Hey Gene, I would like to add to what Dayhead and Gluehand mentioned. I too need to be able to fly inside. And an actual "Living Room" flyer that does not require a monster living room with a 30' celieng either but a low level capable plane that can fly low circuits in an actual living room complete with walls and a tv. lol
If I may suggest Slebetman's Portable Plane.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1797199
It is a little mini-stick type plane with removeable wings & tailfeathers and fits in a small box. Rubber powered and he has posted vids of it in action. Incl'g one in a small room. I plan on building one as well.

You can also find plans for itty bitty's such as the various little mini-sticks at Hip Pockets Builders Forum.
http://www.hippocketaeronautics.com/hpa_forum/index.php
This forum is mainly rubber powered planes and building. They have an indoor area as well. I saw a few mini-stick plans in the gallery.

Hope this all helps. I for one am going to check out the Room Flyer that Gluehand linked in.
I'll be watching to see what you build.
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 10:58 PM
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Wow, those models look pretty neat. I've never built anything so delicate before. Might have to give it a try, though I might try to get in the groove by building something a little bigger for starters (maybe a Peck ROG).

I probably should have mentioned that for me a lot of fun is in the building, even if I don't fly. Right now I'm trying to finish up a Guillow's Fokker Dr.1 Triplane before I ship out. I built it just for the fun of it. That being said, flying them would be nice too. I'll be around large aircraft hangars from time to time so I'll have some opportunities to fly something larger. Still, I'm intrigued by these tiny little planes. Seems like it would make for a very enjoyable challenge.

Thanks again!
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Old Feb 23, 2013, 11:07 PM
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For flying in the hotel room with a low ceiling, I made my prop so I could adjust the pitch of the blades. If the plane climbed excessively and hit the ceiling, I'd add more pitch to the prop.
I'm no engineer, but my reasoning is that since horsepower is torque times RPM, by reducing the revs I was reducing power. Anyway, it worked for me.
The prop hub was a short piece of plastic tube, I think from an ink pen. The prop spars were short pieces of round toothpick, with the pointy end being a snug fit in the tube. I made blades from a variety of materials, paper, thin plastic from some packaging, balsa sanded very thin,etc.
Sometimes a blade will fall out, so I made a simple gauge from paper that when held in alignment with the fuselage it butted up against the blade about an inch from the hub. That way I could put it back in at the correct angle.
Reducing pitch gives more power and shorter runs, more pitch reduces power and gives longer runs. I do remember flying in a much higher ceiling in the casino until told to leave, there I used reduced pitch for fast climbs to the ceiling.
These types of planes are quick and easy to make, and sure do make life away from home more pleasant. I know from experience that they beat drinking and gambling, cheaper and you wake up feeling good too.
A relatively small box will carry my mini hot glue gun, scissors and knives, balsa, foam, needle nose pliers,ruler and protractor,etc as well as tissue and other essentials for serenity away from my wife and cats.
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Old Mar 02, 2013, 07:56 PM
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Well, I'm officially out on the road. And unfortunately I didn't finish my Guillow tripe. However, it looks like I might have a bit more space out here than I though and I might have the tripe sent out to me for completion. Here's where it currently stands.

I'm still not sure if this is going to be a flying model or just a display piece. I've just always like the Dr.1

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Forgot this pic of the vacuformed engine.
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