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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:15 AM
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That is just lazy thinking.

It has been going on for years and years. Anyone would get tired of it. Also, as I understand it, the rogue agency uses some sort of "arbitration" process where he is presumed guilty and must prove his innocence while not being allowed to cross examine any so called "witnesses" brought against him. (that from a discussion link on ESPN, not sure of the accuracy). If that is the case, who WOULD want to continue with the time, expense, and headaches of dealing with the people who have not shown any actual physical evidence?

If they have actual evidence, present it publicly so we can all see it and change our minds accordingly. Otherwise, leave Armstrong alone and quit trying to make names for themselves while appeasing the witch hunters.
Lazy thinking? That is laughable.

The simplist answer is usually the correct one. He cheated. He knows it. So he finally quit fighting. There are simply too many people including team mates and competitors who said they saw him cheating. It's a pretty clear case and a sad one at that.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:28 AM
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Or it could be that Lance knows they are powerless to do anything about it.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:30 AM
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Lazy thinking? That is laughable.

The simplist answer is usually the correct one. He cheated. He knows it. So he finally quit fighting. There are simply too many people including team mates and competitors who said they saw him cheating. It's a pretty clear case and a sad one at that.
Yes, lazy thinking.

If you have evidence that he cheated, please present it and I will gladly join you.

Until then, it is lazy thinking and worthy of "reality show" status.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:37 AM
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Yes, lazy thinking.

If you have evidence that he cheated, please present it and I will gladly join you.

Until then, it is lazy thinking and worthy of "reality show" status.
I myself am bothered by the hundreds upon hundreds of drug tests he's had to take throughout his career; before, during, and after every sanctioned race he has won.
What I'm bothered with is how he managed to beat those hundreds of tests that were specifically designed to find drugs in his system, but didn't.

As far as the "handful" of people who claim he doped, against the hundreds of tests that prove that he didn't, I have a saying I often have to recite to both my employees and customers: "Documentation trumps memory every time".

We have hundreds of documented drug tests that prove he wasn't doping against a handful of people who "remember" things from years ago.
I put my money on the documentation.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:43 AM
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As far as has been reported, Lance never failed a drug test. Scheduled, unscheduled, during a race, or otherwise.

Based on the lack of evidence this has been nothing but a witch hunt originally started by the French who just couldn't stand that an American domated their race.

The USADA, whoever they are, should consider how foolish their stance looks given the lack of any evidence that Armstrong did anything wrong.

I can't blame the guy for stopping this thing after all these years. It has been tiresome for people reading the news, I can't imagine the ridiculous burden it has placed on him and his family.

Livestrong.
It's just more proof that if you hand out goodies to snitches, eventually you get what you want them to say. If Lance did it, he got away with it. If he did it, you won't get anyone beside him on the podium.

I do think Lance doped, maybe the first one or two wins... just like 90% of the top bikers. I don't think he did it for all of them. In anycase, he tested clean. This is a joke and is sad.

He will be stripped of his titles, there is no doubt about that. He loses zero credibility in my books. He was and is a tremendous athlete and a credit to his sport.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 09:50 AM
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The fact is he is willing to be stripped of his wins and his medals as well as permanantly trash his name. He wouldn't do that unless there was a reason and he was guilty.
How about he's just tired of defending himself against false accusations. Christ man, even in a court of law the defendant cannot be compelled to take the stand in his own defense. Problem is that this is just a witch hunt and not the court, so i guess he's guilty until proven innocent.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:00 AM
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Lets assume for a moment that they have samples of all those past tests and today they have the technology to find doping that they couldn't find way back when and Lance is guilty. Are they now going to go back and test all the second place finishers and on down the line? No. This is about toppling Lance and nothing else. I think the whole thing stinks. The bicycling racing world meant little in this country before Lance and after this will mean even less. AFAIC, they can all take a long ride off a short cliff.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:18 AM
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Yes, lazy thinking.

If you have evidence that he cheated, please present it and I will gladly join you.

Until then, it is lazy thinking and worthy of "reality show" status.
Too funny. Given the number of people who have said they have seen him cheating it seems pretty clear. Lazy thinking is burying your head in the sand and not paying attention to the whole situation. If the guy hadn't cheated he would fight to protect his name. He isn't. That is your answer.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:21 AM
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Lazy thinking? That is laughable.

The simplist answer is usually the correct one. He cheated. He knows it. So he finally quit fighting. There are simply too many people including team mates and competitors who said they saw him cheating. It's a pretty clear case and a sad one at that.
That is a ridiculous logic. "there are simply too many drug test he passed for him to have doped". Now who tells the truth more, a inatimate object or jealous people?
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:22 AM
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Too funny. Given the number of people who have said they have seen him cheating it seems pretty clear. Lazy thinking is burying your head in the sand and not paying attention to the whole situation. If the guy hadn't cheated he would fight to protect his name. He isn't. That is your answer.
He has, for several years. He's got his money, he's taking his ball and going home. He knows his accusers have no credibility. The only people who still think he doped, he couldn't care less about.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:27 AM
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That is a ridiculous logic. "there are simply too many drug test he passed for him to have doped". Now who tells the truth more, a inatimate object or jealous people?
There were tests done back then that he could fool, not now. I would be willing to bet they said they were going to go back and test them with the new technology or he could simply give in an accept the results. He opted for the latter to do as little damage as possible to his name.

Don't get me wrong. I like the guy and find his accomplishments impressive. There is no way he would throw away his life's work and accomplishments unless he had to.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:28 AM
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He has, for several years. He's got his money, he's taking his ball and going home. He knows his accusers have no credibility. The only people who still think he doped, he couldn't care less about.
That's one opinion.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:28 AM
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Too funny. Given the number of people who have said they have seen him cheating it seems pretty clear. Lazy thinking is burying your head in the sand and not paying attention to the whole situation. If the guy hadn't cheated he would fight to protect his name. He isn't. That is your answer.
Your line of reasoning needs a skittles run to be complete...
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
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There were tests done back then that he could fool, not now. I would be willing to bet they said they were going to go back and test them with the new technology or he could simply give in an accept the results. He opted for the latter to do as little damage as possible to his name.

Don't get me wrong. I like the guy and find his accomplishments impressive. There is no way he would throw away his life's work and accomplishments unless he had to.
It does seem uncharacteristic of a man who came back from cancer to win 7 tours.
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Old Aug 24, 2012, 10:29 AM
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Too funny. Given the number of people who have said they have seen him cheating it seems pretty clear. Lazy thinking is burying your head in the sand and not paying attention to the whole situation. If the guy hadn't cheated he would fight to protect his name. He isn't. That is your answer.
"People" have agendas, jealousies and false memories.

"Documentation" (hundreds of negative tests) suffer from none of that. Just the factual truth of "what is", not "what someone wants it to be".
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