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Old Sep 05, 2014, 09:51 AM
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identify an old boat :)

Hello all, I was pointed here by another helpful member and was hoping one of you could help me. I recently picked up a fairly large older sail boat by Dumas. I removed the top hatch cover and the tag inside says Heritage 12 meter, A Dumas boat serial number 1760. The sail is labeled 12/430. Any help anyone can give me on it's history and value would really be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Old Sep 05, 2014, 01:53 PM
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It sounds like you've already identified it as a Dumas Heritage 12. If you want a guesstimate on value you will need to do two things. Determine what condition the boat and any hardware is in, including sails. Then find the nearest EC12 fleet.
There are lots of variables that determine value. If it's in competion condition (doubtful, as you stated it's old and a Dumas) you could get good money for it if you live near an active fleet. The price drops if you don't have a nearby fleet as no one will be willing to spend big bucks on just any big old boat. Also, racers aren't going to spend big bucks on an old Dumas Heritage because it might not be race leagal or competitive.
If the boat you have is in good looking and good working condition with modern (usable) electronics, you could get a couple of hundred of dollars for it if there is a local guy ready to buy. You could also get lucky on ebay and sell for much more.
It's helpful to include your location in you info, and always include pictures.

Dave
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Old Sep 05, 2014, 02:27 PM
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OK,I'm still on the case-in fact it's solved....
Your sail number 430 is indeed listed in the EC-12 registry-showing one owner
since Oct. 1973, from the Virginia Beach,Va area.
Which means,if it matters, your boat is now worth a bit more than yesterday.
so lets see some pics- especially the insides( servos and radio board)
If you are on the east coast, you are gold- that's the hotbed of EC-12 sailing.
there ought to be a club near you,somewhere,
awesome boats, love the light air, weeds don't matter,great group to sail with.

pictures-----------pictures-----------pictures
Allan
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Old Sep 05, 2014, 02:43 PM
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much gratitude

Just wanted to say thank you very much Dave and Allan for your help. I will try to find a Long Island club if possible now. Also, I ill try to post pics of it asap. I'm by no means knowledgeable about these things but I can tell you that it's in really good condition and super clean inside and out from what I can see. To be continued....
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Old Sep 05, 2014, 08:29 PM
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Search the AMYA website for a club that sails the 12. In NJ, it's the Mid Atlantic MYC.
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Old Sep 06, 2014, 08:55 AM
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linkey

http://www.mamyc.com/
direct link to mid atlantic model yacht club
great group of guys.
Mike
PS as full disclosure I am a member of mamyc

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Old Sep 07, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Once you find a club, consider coming up to some of our Ec12 events in R1 we have 5 now. Newport, Stowe, Mystic, Marblehead and Killingworth
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Old Sep 08, 2014, 06:39 AM
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Hey guys thanks for the info, hospitality and making me feel welcome.
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 10:31 AM
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ok guys pictures will be on tonight!
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 02:50 PM
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the boat

what do you guys think?
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 06:34 PM
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So what's your plan with it? Local sailing or something more? You mention in your first post that your looking for a value. In its current state, it is not competitive with current trends. Among other things she has a narrow keel which means she carries about 14lbs of ballast compared to current versions which are wider and carry a 18lb+ ballast. That's not a death sentence but it requires a bit more concentration to keep her on her feet in a breeze. That said, a fully renovated Dumas like this won the worlds last time around.

If your not able or willing to put any time or money into it, you might get between $400-$600 for it as she sits.

SJ
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 06:44 PM
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boat

To be honest, I'm not sure yet. This sailboat is really cool but as it is I've got too many interests and not enough time. First thing I need to do is figure out the value of her and then I guess I'll decide from there. Anyone want to give it a shot?
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 07:10 PM
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You did good.
the hull itself looks dandy, as far as the pics show.
chances are the servo's will control the rig and rudder-I couldn't read the model
number off that airtronics servo, otherwise I could look it up and see exactly
what it's power is. There's nothing wrong with using that wood mast, but it's
clearly not rigged correctly-that's something you will have to get hands-on help
with. the sails will move the boat-best bet now is to just let them hand and see
if some of the creases will go away, but some of the creases are worrisome.
basically
you have a great club boat, something you can learn with and can easily up-
grade to whatever degree you want. ( $ )
If you just want to play, or want to try local club races I would recommend .....
1)a basic 2.4ghz ,4 channel radio/receiver
2) a 2000 mAh nimh battery pack ,and charger

a modern radio and dependable batt pack will insure you can get her back to
shore, always a concern for newbies.
find somebody who can help sort out that rig- it cannot be sailed as is.
That Dumas hull ought to be fast enough for you to keep pace with other 12s
Allan
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 08:18 PM
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This is the place to come for information like this! That is a very handsome yacht and you should have a lot of fun sailing her.
Enjoy
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Old Sep 09, 2014, 08:53 PM
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That is a very clean looking boat . Nice score !
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