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How’s That Arab Spring Working?

Let me qualify this subject, I have observed nation building doesn’t work in the Region (FWIW). I also think at this time, a strong fist works best in the region. Also regardless of parties (ideologies).

I’ve been thinking about this subject and saw this article on cnn today. At the time I (myself) I thought encouraging this movement was a mistake. Not to my surprise these movements were hijacked; and of course by factions not friendly to the west (not really surprising), and not friendly to the citizenship in their regions.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/middle...ath/index.html

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Old Yesterday, 07:26 PM
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At least they all still agree on death to Israel, yes?
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Let me qualify this subject, I have observed nation building doesn’t work in the Region (FWIW). I also think at this time, a strong fist works best in the region. Also regardless of parties (ideologies).

I’ve been thinking about this subject and saw this article on cnn today. At the time I (myself) I thought encouraging this movement was a mistake. Not to my surprise these movements were hijacked; and of course by factions not friendly to the west (not really surprising), and not friendly to the citizenship in their regions.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/middle...ath/index.html

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Seriously? It's US MSM so we know what it won't report, i.e. any involvement by the US. Here are my comments:

1) Tunisia. This "relative success" is the only one in which the US and its allies were not involved. Coincidence? I think not.

2) Libya. The US, UK and France helped a bunch of radical tribal people from the desert and al Qaeda affiliates to overthrow a brutal but secular dictator, turning Libya from a relatively stable country into a quagmire ruled by competing warlords.

3) Egypt. The military junta that overthrew the democratically elected government in a coup then declared them to be a terrorist organisation, is a US supported military junta.

4) Syria. We helped allegedly "moderate rebels" with "non-lethal aid" i.e. paid them to fight, while Saudi Arabia helped the more "radical rebels" and our new found "allies" in Libya supplied weapons.

5) Yemen. There is even a brief "history," but not one word about any of "Obama's drone strike" campaign. That's something that Fox News might mention, but not in context of destabilising the country, and most certainly not from the perspective of the people on the receiving end. That would be well outwith the realms of US MSM, but it is conceivable that Fox might mention them as an example of a "failed Obama policy" from the perspective of Republican.

I read the whole article anyway, but I knew what it wouldn't report after I read the five points in the image at the top. I must admit I was surprised that it mentioned ISIS at the end, as I was thinking that surely CNN readers would realise that the US and British invasion and the complete dismantling of the Ba'ath regime etc, initiated the conditions under which ISIS was able to thrive. But of course there is no "history" of how that all happened because failing to mention the US/British invasion in any such history would have been all too obvious, even for CNN readers.

I'm surprised that so many Americans don't seem to realise that it doesn't matter whether it's Fox or CNN, or CBS, MSNBC or whatever; it's all corporate media, and all part of the establishment, albeit not always the same part.

Similarly, non-MSM US news sources such as this one on the left and this one on the right also report much the same as each other, because their agenda is to inform Americans of the facts that US MSM sources intentionally omit, such as those that I mentioned above.

Reading US MSM, it's not hard to see why so many Americans don't understand why the US is perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by most of the rest of the world.
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At least they all still agree on death to Israel, yes?
I take it that you're still getting your "news" from Fox.
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Let me qualify this subject, I have observed nation building doesn’t work in the Region (FWIW). I also think at this time, a strong fist works best in the region. Also regardless of parties (ideologies).

I’ve been thinking about this subject and saw this article on cnn today. At the time I (myself) I thought encouraging this movement was a mistake. Not to my surprise these movements were hijacked; and of course by factions not friendly to the west (not really surprising), and not friendly to the citizenship in their regions.

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/27/middle...ath/index.html

It's not jut thm. Didn't you have bit of trouble with the Red Indians and the British?

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It's not just them. Didn't you have a bit of trouble with the Red Indians and the British?

And we had Ancient Romans, Gauls, Celts, French, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Normans, Jutes, 'Beaker Folk' (4000 years ago and on TV yesterday), and even the Germans had a go.
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Did not Cain kill Able?
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Is this thread a wind up?
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It's not just them. Didn't you have a bit of trouble with the Red Indians and the British?

And we had Ancient Romans, Gauls, Celts, French, Angles, Saxons, Danes, Normans, Jutes, 'Beaker Folk' (4000 years ago and on TV yesterday), and even the Germans had a go.

Actually, no, we didn't have a problem with either

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Old Today, 01:16 PM
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I’m just thinking the region was more stable when ruled by basically secular dictators rather than democratized corrupt governments or popular uprisings hijacked by religious zealots.
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