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Old Sep 30, 2006, 11:46 PM
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The building of 22` Gaff Cutter "Surprise II"

I purchased these plans in order to build the real boat one day. As it stands I can`t afford it right now. I bought the plans from a friend (not copies) that was going to build it but aquired an old Herreshoff Yawl instead. He decided to sell them to me so I decided to build a model of it first.
The plans are 8 sheets and they are designed by a well respected west coast designer "Paul Gartside". I love his boats and hope to build at least one some day, hopefully Surprise II. You have to love the boat in order to see it through. Since cutters make excellent sea worthy sailing models it wasn`t difficult to decide on this one.
I plan to build it scale as per plans. Surprise II is a revised version of his earlier Gaff Cutter Surprise. Some of the revisions include wider beam, cold mold with laminated keel, etc. I do plan to build her as a carvel plank on frame since it won`t matter in the end anyway.
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Old Sep 30, 2006, 11:58 PM
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Laying of the keel

I ripped up yellow cedar for lamination. The keel jig is basically cut from the plans. I did enlarge the plans to 2"=1` this way there is no "dreaded lofting required and the finished model can be cut from the plans.
I waxed up the jig, soaked the cedar and used polyurethane for adhesive. I plan on using this glue mostly now since it isn`t " toxic" like epoxy. It`s also completely water proof and loves to glue wet wood since the moisture kicks it off. The only thing I don`t like about it, is you must use latex gloves because it takes weeks to come off. It`s also much easier to shave off than epoxy and takes to sanding quite well.

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Old Oct 01, 2006, 08:29 AM
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Warren, thank you!

Wow, what a nice project that I'm sure we all can learn from following! Combining woodworking and model boat building is really what I would like to learn to do. I hope you don't mind some occasional questions.
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Old Oct 01, 2006, 10:25 AM
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Questions are welcome

Sure thing. Glad to share it with everyone. It`s a learning experience for me as well.

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Old Oct 01, 2006, 11:04 AM
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Hi Warren, this should be interesting to watch.

How large will this model be?
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Old Oct 02, 2006, 01:57 PM
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Stem,deadwood,keel

The model will be 44" water line, not including the bow sprit.

Here I`ve finished the keel lamination, planed to width and mortised and tenon the deadwood to keel.
I did wonder why the designer chose to laminate and design in this style. As you build up the keel you realize why and it really makes sense. You will see as I progress. I would prefer a solid fir keel but then it would end up being several pieces to mortise.
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Old Oct 02, 2006, 02:01 PM
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Yellow Cedar

I must note that yellow cedar is wonderfull model making wood in this scale, 2"to Foot. The fibres and grain are extremely flexible and strong. No steaming needed here. You can rap a dry 1" by 1/8 around your wrist.

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Old Oct 02, 2006, 04:51 PM
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Warren:
This looks like a great project, and to look at your wood working skills, It doesn't look like you need to learn too much, I think you've got it spot on.

And I love working with yellow ceader, It's very ridged but easy to work, I also like working with red ceader, a much softer wood not as ridged as the yellow, but it is lighter and easy to bend would look great as a main deck.
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Old Oct 02, 2006, 04:58 PM
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This should be a good one!!! I am watching with great interest!
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Old Oct 03, 2006, 10:48 AM
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Red Cedar

I`ll be using red cedar for planking. Not sure on the deck. I thought of teak although it would be nice to keep the topside light. Didn`t think of red cedar for deck. That might look pretty good. I know the plan calls for red cedar cabin coaming.

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Old Oct 03, 2006, 11:16 AM
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The quality of your work is inspiring... to say the least as was your previous project will be watching your progress very closely.............Alan
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Old Oct 04, 2006, 10:20 PM
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The mold proccess or formers

I use 3-M spray adhesive to tack on the drawings. Most of the pics here speak for themself. The template on the bottom of the keel will be the shape of the ballast plug.

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Old Oct 05, 2006, 12:14 AM
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Warren Jones:
Your cutter is looking fantastic, very nice work, it looks very strong from the pictures, you may not need much ballast.
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Old Oct 05, 2006, 12:44 AM
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I would be interested in how you set up and take down the rigging.
You mentioned an Hour set up time for the Revenue Cutter.
I have a 1/36 Blue Nose hull and have never pushed further because the rigging is really intimidating. Especially how to design it to break down for transport to and from the pond. So when you get this new finely crafted vessel ready for sail, detail the set ups a little.

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Old Oct 06, 2006, 01:48 AM
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Pond or Lake side rigging

For my Cutter "Comet", the rigging took more time due to scale running rigging, etc. This has to be omitted when setting up and isn`t needed for sailing only if you want to please the "gronards" or for static display. What you do need is the mast stays for sure. I use black zap straps for attaching them. The mast can slip through the deck into a mortise at the top of the keel with a rubber washer to seal at deck. Just make sure the tenon is a quarter inch short from the mortise pocket so when you reef down the stay and shrouds it seals good at the deck.

To ropanach,

I`m hoping so since I want to keep the external ballast scale. In my experience however I think this to be wishfull thinking. The larger the model the more ballast ratio you need. Otherwise the boat will lay on it`s side when the wind sneezes at it. See the pick with the knock down. This model has a 60lb. 16" by 2' by 1/2" steel keel (not enough even) and she blew right over with ease. The slow winch didn`t help either since I couldn`t slacken the main sail quick enough.
Kind of scary to watch actually, but she righted herself just as quick when I recovered.
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