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Old Dec 07, 2009, 11:30 AM
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Pearl Harbor 5th mini-submarine mystery solved?

Interesting news...

Pearl Harbor mini-submarine mystery solved?

The "Nova" episode describing the search for the I-16-tou will air Jan. 5.
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Old Dec 07, 2009, 11:42 AM
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Jap sub penentrates harbor security net and sinks battleship.

That would of been really bad press at the time....no way this would get out.

Can't wait to see the documentary...thanks.
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Old Dec 07, 2009, 06:37 PM
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That's very interesting. Circumstantial evidence, yes but if they found the remains of this midget mixed in with the LST wreckage, its very strong indeed.

With this latest news, I'm sure someone at Lindberg wishes they had already released their I-20 C1 kit.
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Old Dec 07, 2009, 08:32 PM
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Old Dec 08, 2009, 01:09 AM
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The destroyer Ward claimed for years to have opened fire, hit, rammed, and sunk the first of the subs (thus firing the first U.S. shots of the war) but there was never any proof found to back her claims although most texts on the attack confirm it. Robert Ballard tried to locate the sub but it took the U of H people with local knowledge of the currents across the mouth of the harbor to find the sub. In 07 a NUMA/University of Hawaii expedition found the sub complete with a 3 inch shell hole at the base of the conning tower, right where Ward reporting hitting her. Several members of the Ward crew were aboard when they sent down a camera vehicle to look at her.
I have read several accounts of a midget sub being buried in the concrete caisson of the west lock..wonder if this is the one.
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Old Dec 10, 2009, 12:29 AM
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I do not think that the one torpedo from this sub caused the Oklahoma to Capsize in itself as the author stated, but rather the total of 9 torpedoes that hit the ship in the span of about 8 minutes.
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Old Dec 10, 2009, 01:40 PM
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I imagine you're right, Lee, about those 9 torpedoes that hit the Oklahoma. However, in one of the several Pearl Harbor Day television programs that I watched, it was stated that the midget subs torpedoes were more powerful than the aerial torpedoes that were dropped from the Japanese aircraft. I had never heard that before, and frankly, wonder if it is really true. On some of these programs, an occasional misstatement of fact takes place.
For instance, on one of the programs, it was stated that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was the first aerial attack on a fleet in history. Not so, according to all other sources. The successful British aerial attack on the Italian fleet at Taranto, Italy in November, 1940, damaged half of Italy's battleships. And the Japanese planners studied the Taranto attack in making their plans for the Pearl Harbor attack. So the above statement is patently false.
The announcer also badly mispronounced Admiral Yamamoto's first name (Isoroku), but that is not that uncommon a mistake in these programs. It's just irritating to see the needless errors and misstatements made on programs like these; you wonder who, if anyone, proofreads the scripts or factchecks the completed programs.
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Old Dec 11, 2009, 12:03 AM
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According to the web site ( http://www.combinedfleet.com/torps.htm ) the aerial torpedoes had less explosives in them.

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Old Dec 11, 2009, 02:50 AM
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Probably a lack of research by the producers of the doco! Why check for facts when U can make it up and not have to pay someone to do the proper back ground investigation.
Seems to be a common occurence with productions lately.
The Japanese Navy were really fond of usin those damn mini subs, they sunk 3 of em' in Sydney Harbour.
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