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Old Apr 25, 2012, 02:57 PM
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yep most ist prepared for the Microwii, sensors are sourced, only CPU and final PCB design is missing, so may ready end of may.
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 05:33 AM
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yep most ist prepared for the Microwii, sensors are sourced, only CPU and final PCB design is missing, so may ready end of may.
Very nice but why are you still playing with eight bit technology, surly 2012 is the time to bring out the 32 bit stuff.

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Old Apr 26, 2012, 08:34 AM
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cause the soft is well developed, for the PWM signal we dont need more power, for filters yes, but they have to be developed first.
Arduino also dont have a aproved 32bit option now, which means all the cool guys who did this great job on Multiwii, in first Alex, dont have a common IDE platform then everybody understands.
And till now not everything is completely developed, hardware PWM is out since the 2.0 and this gives really good results, beleive me.
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 09:43 AM
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cause the soft is well developed, for the PWM signal we dont need more power, for filters yes, but they have to be developed first.
Arduino also dont have a aproved 32bit option now, which means all the cool guys who did this great job on Multiwii, in first Alex, dont have a common IDE platform then everybody understands.
And till now not everything is completely developed, hardware PWM is out since the 2.0 and this gives really good results, beleive me.
You might be right, but some clever guys have already ported the multiwii to a 32 bit system which can be installed on a cheap chinese FC but because it is only Gyro and ACC they have developed and produced an FC the Astronaze32 which has gyro,acc,mag and barro on board.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1595761

I know that you are as capable as them and i would like to see you doing something similar, afterall you have the contacts and knowledge to get in on the ground floor.
Lets be fair, although 8 bit stuff is doing the job at the moment, its lifespan must be limited after all i thought 8 bit went out with the Spectrum and Commodore 64. Please Paul, give these guys some competition, i know you can do it

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Yah, 32bit will be the future. And believe me: Paul is prepared for that future.

Now that you own a Naze32 - what's the differences compared to the ancient 8bitters?
I mean ... does it fly any better? Is it more stable? More features?
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 01:49 PM
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Yah, 32bit will be the future. And believe me: Paul is prepared for that future.

Now that you own a Naze32 - what's the differences compared to the ancient 8bitters?
I mean ... does it fly any better? Is it more stable? More features?

Ive got 2 different 32 bit FC's, Had em a while now. Certainly the Tri's fly better because the servo is rock solid no jitter, The quad, well it does feel more responsive , but to be honest that could be down to my imagination. The main advantage with the quad has nothing to do with it being 32 bit its a smaller form factor( same as CC) and as the sensors are included, none of this big tower thingy. But at the end of the day its still alex's code and still the multiwii that i love.
Bye the way i still fly my Flyduino mega's and my Warthox board and with me being an old F**T its not modernization for its own sake, its more a case of not being left behind.
I will say right now that i have suported (and encouraged)Paul right from the Off, I have a Beta Flyduino and V1.1 and v2 flyduino's, and i have recommended his store to many, many people and i have spent what is a lot of money to me, and long may it continue. I would just prefer to buy a 32 bit FC from Paul than buying it from the other side of the world as i am sure he could do as good if not a better
job. I also oppologise if ive offended anyone with my clumsy wording, it was not intentional. But whether we like it or not 32 bit architecture is on its way so why not embrace it.

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Ive got 2 different 32 bit FC's, Had em a while now. Certainly the Tri's fly better because the servo is rock solid no jitter, The quad, well it does feel more responsive , but to be honest that could be down to my imagination. The main advantage with the quad has nothing to do with it being 32 bit its a smaller form factor( same as CC) and as the sensors are included, none of this big tower thingy. But at the end of the day its still alex's code and still the multiwii that i love.
Bye the way i still fly my Flyduino mega's and my Warthox board and with me being an old F**T its not modernization for its own sake, its more a case of not being left behind.
I will say right now that i have suported (and encouraged)Paul right from the Off, I have a Beta Flyduino and V1.1 and v2 flyduino's, and i have recommended his store to many, many people and i have spent what is a lot of money to me, and long may it continue. I would just prefer to buy a 32 bit FC from Paul than buying it from the other side of the world as i am sure he could do as good if not a better
job. I also oppologise if ive offended anyone with my clumsy wording, it was not intentional. But whether we like it or not 32 bit architecture is on its way so why not embrace it.

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Hi Ray,

I hear you!
Well, believe me when I say that I would have used a 32-bit on the microWii instead of the ATMEGA32U4 if there were a (free of charge and easy to use) IDE for it. Yes, you're right when you say 'do the config stuff with a simple header file transferred via UART (or USB)' but this would lock-out all those keen developers (software guys) who supported/assisted Alex in writing the multiWii software and brought us what we all enjoy now.
The main advantage of the 32-bit solution is it's computing power when it comes to IMU calculations. But, I think we all should keep an eye on the MPU-9150 DMP-engine; it will off-load a lot of IMU and filter calculation from the 8-bit, thus eliminating one of the main advantages of a 32-bit solution.


The microWii is not the answer to all questions (when you think about waypoint navigation/autonomous flights), but I think it's an easy-to-use - and nearly ready-to-fly FC for beginners and enthusiasts.

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P.S. Keep an eye on Paul's shop ...
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 02:20 PM
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No need to appologize, Ray!

I was just interested if you - as an experienced MW user - do see any differences.

I tuned Jussi's MiniWii for another guy the other day and i was amazed how well it flew with MW 2.0 out of the box.

The microWii will just add another opportunity to the range of already existing FCs in that class.

That doesn't mean, Joerg or Paul are bound to the 8bitters forever!
It's just a love affair that doesn't want to end too soon.
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@aBUGSnightmare,

The 32 bit port i use is open source although it was written especially for that archetecture i.e. Free Flight FF and Naze. And the guys who are developing it are talking way,way above my head so you are right it is taking it out of the hands of normal mortals and putting it in the hands of the Specialist/Geeks

@kinderkram,
Im still flying Jussi's shield and its as good as the day i assembled it, better because i know (more) what im doing.
MW2.0 is better than its been for a long time, but i still recon MW v1.7's level mode has still to be equalled.
I still find 8 bit stuff easier to handle, but i got left behind with windows for a long time because i was too stubbon to change and it was hard work catching up. I wont let that happen again.
If you are good at something its not easy to move on and both Joerg and Paul are good at what they do, and they will move forwards in their own good time, but im sure that after this conversation it might come a little sooner(i live in hope)

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Old Apr 26, 2012, 04:34 PM
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It's always fun to flash an MWii
No time for a coffee break.

Amazing how Alex manages to squeeze so many functions out of 15-20k of code!
I'm pretty sure the 8bit ATMels will serve their purposes for even longer.

Look at the KK: many have promised its death long ago. And it's still alive&kickin.
Prices dropped to 15-20$ and that's what will happen to MW entry boards with gyros&accels.

On the more advanced ARM side it lacks what the ATM has more than enough: a wealth of free to use tools, tons of codes, bits & pieces and lots of developers and users who are used to it over the years.

A commercial version of a professional ARM compiler comes at 1500 bux.
Know what I mean?
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A commercial version of a professional ARM compiler comes at 1500 bux.
Know what I mean?
There is also Eclipse but it is not as easy to use as the Arduino IDE.
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here is a short onboard video of my Y6 --> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showp...postcount=3572

Flyduino-Y6 Testflight (1 min 50 sec)


@zviratko: AUW without battery and gopro is exactly 700grams
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 05:06 PM
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@zviratko: AUW without battery and gopro is exactly 700grams
hmmm, mine is 1650g now including battery (6000mAh 3S) I have extra level full of connectors, large landing gear and larger ESCs...

What is your flight time? I haven't gotten to it yet (much), still tuning indoors

Btw what camera are you using? I tried mounting my gopro but there's nowhere to put it. I'll have to get some front-attached gimbal or a landing gear with gimbal...
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that's how i mounted mine

i get about 12 mins out of my 3S 2.500mAh 25C with smooth flying
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Old Apr 26, 2012, 06:07 PM
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that's how i mounted mine

i get about 12 mins out of my 3S 2.500mAh 25C with smooth flying
I can mount it like that, but I like putting protective cover on top, it saved my electronics so many times. Oh well, time to rethink the tower again

And thanks
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