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Old Sep 03, 2006, 09:11 PM
Marc Gellart
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Would You Believe a Jet Hit a Sailplane and Everyone Lived?

Well, yes. Go to the Soar Minden or Hanggliding.Org and look it up.

Guess the Hawker was letting down for Reno over Carson City NV nearly had a head on with an ASW 27? at about 16K AGL. Hawker is owned by NetJet which a relation flies for. When you see the pics, it is a mild miracle that all involved walked away pretty unscathed. Sailplane pilot is a Japanese gentleman, who managed a clean parachute ride actually walked out of the wilderness to find some authorities looking for him. The Captain of the Hawker was injured by debris that hit her face, but all others on the jet were unhurt.

The pics seem to show that the sailplane hit the radome of the Hawker with a wing, as the spar is still in the jet's forward fuse. It actually partially caved in the instrument panel and that is what injured the Capt. The right wing of the jet was also abused at the root and it jammed the gears and the jet made a belly landing in Carson City. I would guess that the sailplanes right wing did the dirty work. The 27 pilot said he never saw the jet till impact.

I am guessing that the sailplane and the jet were nearly feet away from a direct head on collision, and that would have killed a bunch of folks. Neat reading and lots of pics around.

Marc
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Old Sep 03, 2006, 09:11 PM
MSu1049321@aol.com
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Re: Would You Believe a Jet Hit a Sailplane and Everyone Lived?

Gliders have the right of way over powered craft. I don't understand why this
accident occurred?

Saw a weird Citation jet video on YouTube yesterday; Citation lands downwind
on a too-short runway not authorized for jets. In light rain. Runs off the
end into a harbor. Everyone gets off onto a rescue boat, the plane is floating
pretty level, slightly nose-up. The pilot did not pull the main breakers after
the "ditching". While the rescue boat is still alongside, the empty Citation
starts spooling up the starboard engine to full power! It then motors along in
a circle in the water, with no one on board, until the engine flames out some
time later. Had someone still been in the cockpit to apply some hard-over
rudder, they might have been able to beach the plane. Amazing the engine ran so
well considering everything.

Old Sep 04, 2006, 10:27 AM
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The glider was an ASG29, and the jet pilot, flying at approximately 300 knots, would have been hard pressed to see the sailplane in time to avoid. See and avoid being the operative words, I'm quite sure that the jet pilot would have given the right of way had the glider been seen. Makes me pucker a bit, and use the unicom frequency to announce my presence, altitude, and location when near airports... especially when landing. A white glider against a blue/white sky from 2 miles is almost impossible to see. How fast do you cover 2 miles at 300 knots? Believe me, it happens fast.

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Old Sep 13, 2006, 01:11 AM
Jimmy Andrews
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Re: Re: Would You Believe a Jet Hit a Sailplane and EveryoneLived?

NTSB Preliminary Report:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...06X01297&key=2

The glider is an ASG29 which is certified in the US as "ASW27-18".
Presumably someone thought it would be quicker and easier to get
certification for the new ASG29 if they submitted it as an 18-meter
version of ASW27.


schrederman wrote:

> The glider was an ASG29, and the jet pilot, flying at approximately 300
> knots, would have been hard pressed to see the sailplane in time to
> avoid. See and avoid being the operative words, I'm quite sure that the
> jet pilot would have given the right of way had the glider been seen.
> Makes me pucker a bit, and use the unicom frequency to announce my
> presence, altitude, and location when near airports... especially when
> landing. A white glider against a blue/white sky from 2 miles is almost
> impossible to see. How fast do you cover 2 miles at 300 knots? Believe
> me, it happens fast.
>
> Jack Womack
> PIK-20B N77MA (TE)
>
>


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Old Sep 13, 2006, 01:11 AM
Simon Van Leeuwen
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Re: Re: Would You Believe a Jet Hit a Sailplane and EveryoneLived?

Anyone who would like to see some rather provocative pics of the
aftermath, let me know. You should see the cockpit of the Hawker...

schrederman wrote:
> The glider was an ASG29, and the jet pilot, flying at approximately 300
> knots, would have been hard pressed to see the sailplane in time to
> avoid. See and avoid being the operative words, I'm quite sure that the
> jet pilot would have given the right of way had the glider been seen.
> Makes me pucker a bit, and use the unicom frequency to announce my
> presence, altitude, and location when near airports... especially when
> landing. A white glider against a blue/white sky from 2 miles is almost
> impossible to see. How fast do you cover 2 miles at 300 knots? Believe
> me, it happens fast.
>
> Jack Womack
> PIK-20B N77MA (TE)
>
>


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