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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:03 PM
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I fly with a bunch of guys at a local park on weekends. There is this continuous theme of flying more than learning how to land properly. Planes come in too fast, at crazy angles overfly the pits, etc. it's actually somewhat dangerous and not a lot of structure. I'm "ranting" as why can't people chew up a couple packs learning how to properly takeoff, land, do low approaches, touch and goes, etc. I think we all get caught up in wanting to fly and tear up the sky that we can lose focus on how to correct for crosswinds and how to fly a right or a left pattern. I feel like I should say something to my fellow pilots to see if I can help, but it's not an authorized field and wonder if I should just mind my own business. We all fly at our own risk so I get it....thoughts?
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:14 PM
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In spite of my limited experience, (I have 6 total flights, all of them within the last 10 hours) I believe I agree with you, as much as it applies to me. While I did successfully land each of my 6 flights, I gave no thought to landing until seconds before it was time to do so. I noticed my landings did not get progressively better, just on par with the one before.

I think next time I go out (tomorrow AM hopefully), I'll get there bright and early and work on some touch and go's and my approaches.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:25 PM
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Join a club and fly at their field. You won't have that problem. Your flying at a venue thats has no rules or regs.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:30 PM
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Join a club and fly at their field. You won't have that problem. Your flying at a venue thats has no rules or regs.
Not always true. I flew at a club and the worst flyer i have ever seen was there. When he showed up people took all there planes away from the line and hid them under overhang. This dude was all over the place and would not accept help. He spent more time gluing than flying. But i know most clubs would have you pass some kind of test to make sure you're competent.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:32 PM
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Drop a few hints maybe, other than that i would leave it alone. Just my thoughts.......
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:40 PM
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Just quietly set an example and they will eventually notice or you can use a patch of chalk powder on the ground and encourage them to land on/near it.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:55 PM
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This is the biggest reason I fly alone 99% of the time. I do now and then fly with some select friends that know how to fly and are safe in how they fly.

I've been hit twice, both times I was flying at the time. first hit was at a club field, guy came in hot for a landing ,lost control and clipped my left leg with the wing... broke the wing Second time was a Quad copter at a local park, guy lost orientation and flew into my left leg( they seem to like hitting my left leg!) I was not hurt in either case but still, getting hit makes you not want to fly with others


Long time ago when I flew nitro, again, at a club field, a guy put a 40 size tiger II into the pits about 3-4 feet from me as I was bent over refueling... LUCKILY he missed

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Old Jan 01, 2013, 05:56 PM
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Just quietly set an example and they will eventually notice or you can use a patch of chalk powder on the ground and encourage them to land on/near it.
Good call on this one. Get them to practice landings in one spot and learning to plan their approach to land near a target. They won't even know your training them to land in a safe manner. It will be all in the name of fun.

Even after 5 years I still dedicate a battery to practice touch, and go's. Really helps to hone the skills for a good landing. I won't say I do this is every time I go flying but do it enough to get good at it.

We have a guy that just doesn't get it at our field thinks nothing of flying right towards the flight line, and pulling up when he is 50' away. I have talked to him and the president of the club has. Nice thing is I haven't seen him down there flying I think he got the boot. Much more relaxing now!
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 07:21 PM
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Good call on this one. Get them to practice landings in one spot and learning to plan their approach to land near a target. They won't even know your training them to land in a safe manner. It will be all in the name of fun.

Even after 5 years I still dedicate a battery to practice touch, and go's. Really helps to hone the skills for a good landing. I won't say I do this is every time I go flying but do it enough to get good at it.

We have a guy that just doesn't get it at our field thinks nothing of flying right towards the flight line, and pulling up when he is 50' away. I have talked to him and the president of the club has. Nice thing is I haven't seen him down there flying I think he got the boot. Much more relaxing now!
Thanks for the feedback. I really do like the chalk idea too. Some type of indicator and I can use myself as the guinea pig to start (in the name of fun). I put a limbo pole out once and some guy came up to me after saying how much that alone helped his flying because he had to really focus on the lineup.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 07:54 PM
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I think it's comical to watch a guy fly his Extra, doing all kinds of loops, snap rolls, etc., then can hardly land the plane! Seen it! +1 that the clubs see their fair share of poor landing skills. I haven't done it in a while, as the Apprentice needs some maintenance, but I enjoy running a couple of packs through it doing touch and goes once in a while to refresh my landing skills. I pride myself on making good landings, and I always say, the landing is the last maneuver your audience sees you do on each flight!
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 08:16 PM
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I think it's comical to watch a guy fly his Extra, doing all kinds of loops, snap rolls, etc., then can hardly land the plane! Seen it! +1 that the clubs see their fair share of poor landing skills. I haven't done it in a while, as the Apprentice needs some maintenance, but I enjoy running a couple of packs through it doing touch and goes once in a while to refresh my landing skills. I pride myself on making good landings, and I always say, the landing is the last maneuver your audience sees you do on each flight!
Yeah, absolutely, I'll never go home or end flights on a "not so good" landing. Yesterday was super windy here and we went out and just practiced dead sticks and regulars just to have those conditions. By means do I do that all the time, but I would say every couple of weeks it would be good to burn a pack or two just practicing. I'm probably starting to sound like the preacher, but again appreciate the feedback.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 08:47 PM
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Just quietly set an example and they will eventually notice or you can use a patch of chalk powder on the ground and encourage them to land on/near it.

Good call on this one. Get them to practice landings in one spot and learning to plan their approach to land near a target. They won't even know your training them to land in a safe manner. It will be all in the name of fun.
+1 on this line of action.

Start out by announcing all your take offs and landings.
If your going to do a speed pass down the "runway" center line, call it out, etc.
Make a big deal out of landing the plane right in front of you and offer suggestions and tips to other fliers on how to do it.
YOU fly in the pattern and when other guys are all over the place call them on it.

Us guys are a competitive bunch, challenge them to put the "C" in RC: Radio Control.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 09:17 PM
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Anyone can fly. Not all can land (under control).

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Old Jan 01, 2013, 09:29 PM
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a loop, a roll, hammerhead, yeah whoopie. just about anybody that has been flying a month can do that. now come in nice and smooth and grease a landing, that will get cheers where we fly. just about all the guys i fly with practice touch and go's more than anything. we don't land on grass, we have an asphalt runway so it's not as forgiving. nothing gets the hecklers going more than flying around doing all kinds of tricks and then come in to land and it's bounce, bounce, bounce, off the runway into the grass.

for me landing is one of the hardest things to get right. i can grease them about 7 out of 10 times, but those 3 i mess up really make me want to try harder. if i mess up a loop, or some aerobatic trick, it's not that big of a deal.
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Old Jan 01, 2013, 10:25 PM
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Hey Chris, I think the idea of marking where to touchdown, take off from is a good idea. We can put a line out and see who can touch it. Making it a challenge/competition might remove some apprehension from the guys without having to be confrontational. I will do what I can to set an example on calling off take off/landing, etc.
I'll admit that your teaching/helping me has probably saved me a few fuselages/wings, and made flying more enjoyable- thanks. Learning how to actually fly saves so much time in repairs, $, and stress.
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