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Old Nov 06, 2014, 10:31 AM
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regular viewers will perhaps recall that I was recently seeking a scan or plan of this model, which I have now obtained through the Forum, and commenced building. I have long been aware of this model from my early modelling days, but the size and the cost put it well outside my range in those days! Older members will no doubt recall that the Falcon was kitted by KielKraft, late 40`s/early 50` s maybe. I had always assumed that the design was connected in some way to KK but on studying the plan it is marked that the draughtsman was Albert Hatful with no claim that he had actually designed it. It has some (to me) rather odd constructional methods, for instance there are no full depth fuselage formers under the wing mount and it makes great use of built up wing and tail spars, which I had not previously used. Makes it interesting! It seems that it was fairly common practice in those early days that companies would kit someone`s design without permission, the KK Scorpion being an example of this! I vaguely remember there being some fuss when KK kitted this Scorpion, which had been designed I believe by an American pilot flying for the RAF! and although some of the structure was changed, the wing for example, it was a straight copy of the original!
All that was a rather long winded way of getting to what I really wanted to ask! Does anyone know who was the original designer of the Falcon. Must have been impressive flying free flight with a big sparkie up front! Unfortunately mine will be electric powered, this form of propulsion being more suited to my advancing years! If there`s any interest I will post pics. of the build as it progresses.
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Old Nov 06, 2014, 10:36 AM
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Hi Bob, we'd love to see some pictures

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Old Nov 06, 2014, 11:01 AM
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The original design was called "Cloud Cruiser", and it was designed in 1937 by Ben Shereshaw. KK made at least two modifications, namely adding the sub-fin at the rear and an enlargement of the vertical fin. There were other changes made to the design by Ben Buckle at a later date to allow for RC equipment.

Here's a link to the Outerzone page for the original plan: LINKY
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Old Nov 06, 2014, 02:03 PM
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The original design was called "Cloud Cruiser", and it was designed in 1937 by Ben Shereshaw. KK made at least two modifications, namely adding the sub-fin at the rear and an enlargement of the vertical fin. There were other changes made to the design by Ben Buckle at a later date to allow for RC equipment.

Here's a link to the Outerzone page for the original plan: LINKY
Not to be confused with the "Cloud Cruiser" by Harry Moyer and also designed in 1937 and is quite a different model. Harry's is the Cloud Cruiser which is featured in my current build log

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Old Nov 07, 2014, 04:13 AM
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Not to be confused with the "Cloud Cruiser" by Harry Moyer and also designed in 1937 and is quite a different model. Harry's is the Cloud Cruiser which is featured in my current build log

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Thank you to both who responded. I was confused about the origin of the Falcon as although it was said that it developed from the Cloud Cruiser I had seen that this aircraft had a parasol wing and was completely different to the Falcon. Now I have seen the Sherenshaw design that you mentioned it becomes apparent that this Cloud Cruiser is very similar to the Falcon. Thank you for clearing this up, it`s nice to know who designed the models you build. Build is now under way, started with the fuselage sides and tail group. Pics. when remember!
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Old Nov 07, 2014, 04:33 AM
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Bob - for comparison. My Cloud Cruiser and Ian Easton's Falcon.

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Old Nov 07, 2014, 06:57 AM
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A friend gave me a part made Ben Buckle Falcon to finish off. I have an OS FS-60, (http://goo.gl/LrQjKV) for the plane. I'm going to be following your progress; I need all the help I can get!
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Old Nov 08, 2014, 06:16 AM
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A friend gave me a part made Ben Buckle Falcon to finish off. I have an OS FS-60, (http://goo.gl/LrQjKV) for the plane. I'm going to be following your progress; I need all the help I can get!
Hello,
I don`t know that my build log will be of much use to you as I tend to use my own building methods and not follow the plan other than for the general outlines. I know this is somewhat frowned on by others, but "my model, my rules!" Also yours is IC powered and mine will be electric needing a different front bulkhead arrangement. I have posted some pics. from the start, I keep expecting some Brazillian gangsters approaching me wanting their rain forest back! Tail surfaces mostly built, just standard, apart from the built up spars that I`ve not used before, seems stronger than I would have thought. I am not mounting the servos in the rear as is usually done with these large models but in the normal position. I intend using closed loop on the rudder, with the control wires passing under the horizontal tail so as to be less viewable! Pics. show the system. Probably push rod to an idler arm and than to the elevators as I`ve done several times before. Very little of the control mechanism shows using this way. All for this time, more pics. if an interest!
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Old Nov 08, 2014, 07:21 AM
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That's looking great
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Old Nov 08, 2014, 09:27 AM
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"...mine will be electric..."
Then your build log will be of great value, Bob! That's what we need to see -- how you accommodate the newer powerplant into a 77-year-old design. Electric seems to be gaining ground with OT models, so your conversion process is of great interest!
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[QUOTE=Bobimp;29890390]Hello,
I don`t know that my build log will be of much use to you as I tend to use my own building methods and not follow the plan other than for the general outlines. I know this is somewhat frowned on by others, but "my model, my rules!" Also yours is IC powered and mine will be electric needing a different front bulkhead arrangement. I have posted some pics. from the start, I keep expecting some Brazillian gangsters approaching me wanting their rain forest back! Tail surfaces mostly built, just standard, apart from the built up spars that I`ve not used before, seems stronger than I would have thought. I am not mounting the servos in the rear as is usually done with these large models but in the normal position. I intend using closed loop on the rudder, with the control wires passing under the horizontal tail so as to be less viewable! Pics. show the system. Probably push rod to an idler arm and than to the elevators as I`ve done several times before. Very little of the control mechanism shows using this way. All for this time, more pics. if an interest.

These were the pics. I meant to post of the start! I normally strip the spars etc. from sheet with my old homemade balsa stripper. It`s much cheaper!
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I see some people have added ailerons to this plane. Are you planning to do the same?
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I see some people have added ailerons to this plane. Are you planning to do the same?
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