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Old Oct 15, 2009, 05:35 PM
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my dream heli..

I'm looking for an heli similar to the 3d 4g3 or 4g6, but:
- without radio, or spektrum/dsm2 radio
- 200mm rotor diameter max (could accept something between 200 and 300 like the walkeras)
- as durable as possible, those small things crash easily indoors
- basic 3d of course

basically, a 4g3/6 "radioless" would be ok.. but that doesnt seem to exist. I don't really wanna pay the walkera radio and not use it, and finding a used heli or a used one with radio already replaced won't work (living in Europe)

does that even exist?
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 05:44 PM
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Black Hawk 3d pro. Shaft driven tail 300 size. Add your own gear.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 05:54 PM
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Black Hawk 3d pro. Shaft driven tail 300 size. Add your own gear.
everywhere i looked, its 556mm main rotor blades diameter, and 700 to 490mm length (front to tail). maybe i expressed something incorrectly.

A 4g6 is e.g. 302mm main rotor diameter, 290mm length (front to tail)
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 06:09 PM
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Gaui 200.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 06:26 PM
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or gaui100
http://www.enjoyhobbies.biz/rc-helic...r-esc-included
durable well most cps are not .. you could make a special room and coat the floor with about 1-2' of feathers
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 06:53 PM
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or gaui100
http://www.enjoyhobbies.biz/rc-helic...r-esc-included
durable well most cps are not .. you could make a special room and coat the floor with about 1-2' of feathers
Wouldn't the feathers float up in the down wash and hit the blades? lol

Sorry OP, you said 200 300 size heli. The black hawk is a 300 size. If you want something cp and small the 4g6 is just about the only show in the submicro market.

Gaui 100 or 200 are a bit big for indoors. I wouldn't fly the 4g6 indoors I would get a cb100 for indoors. The 4g6 is small but the blades are really spinning and do some nice damage in doors.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 07:14 PM
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im sure if you crashed into them they would get all down inside the boom and gears and everything to, maybe that pop-corn stryofoam would be better .. agreed though, you have to be an expert for sure to do 3d in a confined area, otherwise a simple, good-flying, and durable fp machine is the way to go i plan on dusting off the 4#3b's when it gets cold out ..
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 07:49 PM
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yeah well its not *that* small to fly here either but i like the tiny helis
the ep 100 is a little big but quite close to what i'm looking for, for sure
i've already various tiny fp helis and at some points indoor i just want to flip em for a change and.. well they dont do that

i dont have a big gym either, and then again.. the smaller the more i like (even if it means a bit less stable/capable)

basically a 4#3 with no radio would be near perfect i guess
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 08:05 PM
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I would probably choose the 4g6 over an ep100 for indoors. Its a lot lighter than that translates to better flying. The ep100 is a pig it can barely 3d.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 08:29 PM
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What about the JSM215?
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 08:33 PM
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What about the JSM215?
tried to google that but i dont find it

edit: nvm i found it, SJM215
RTF Weight: Approximately 320-360g
Main Blade Disk Diameter: 475mm

too much unfortunately
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 08:35 PM
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yeah well its not *that* small to fly here either but i like the tiny helis
the ep 100 is a little big but quite close to what i'm looking for, for sure
i've already various tiny fp helis and at some points indoor i just want to flip em for a change and.. well they dont do that

i dont have a big gym either, and then again.. the smaller the more i like (even if it means a bit less stable/capable)

basically a 4#3 with no radio would be near perfect i guess
well, if your good enough a 100 or 200 gaui would do it
Gaui 200 doing 3D flying in a Garage-Pilot-Nick Maxwell (3 min 12 sec)
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 08:51 PM
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Long as we're dreaming, Robinson 22. Hell, make it a 44.

*Definitely flies out of the box.
*Cheap, as helis go.
*Huge userbase and comprehensive factory support.
*You sit in it. As long as you don't screw up, it will take you places.

Downside, it's a $16,000 license to fly one by yourself, and another $16,000 license to work on it.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 09:00 PM
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You could join the military
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 09:26 PM
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Radioless 4G6 do exist, if you want to go through the part list and pay more for them (you'd be paying considerably more on the DSM2 receiver and separate HH gyro anyway, go all the way). It's practically like doing spektrumized 4G3, but less headache (no tail motor esc/mix) with better power system (get the XP7A+HP08).

If you want a crash-friendly flying thing, 4G3 is what you're looking for. If you actually want to crash less, go for the 4G6. The control precision & reliability is uncomparable to 4G3.

For reference, go through Ampdraw's Spek-ed 4g3 posts.
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