Just read the thread about the "course" posters. I'm one of those who once
came here often but now only maybe once every few months and for the sole
purpose of helping an e-heli pilot or two by directing them to forums specific
to their helis.

Why? Last straw was I tried to discuss e-helis and was told by a certain "B"
member, lets see, something like go away and come back when you have a real
heli. I remember thinking how closed minded. After all I never said they will
replace nitro machines (they won't) so I didn't understand why he was so
defensive. I did suggest e-helis will continue to develope and improve
including battery and motor technologies and will continue to be around. He
told me e-heli was nothing but a novelty and a toy. Talk about being "talked
down at" and rude.

Anyway, It's this closed mind thinking that has turned off so many folks with
this group (not to mention the foul language). The problem is that most e-heli
pilots won't come here so many of you may not know what is going on. If you
are interested check this out. If not interested, great but don't think you
have to post as such just so you can read your own wonderful words in print as
they rip someone apart. In otherwords, this is for the enjoyment of those who
want to see it and if you are not interested please do not post.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=91706
http://www.augustoheli.com/videos/vi...bo/default.asp
(first video on page, using Lithium)

Granted these new batteries are expensive but as with all new technology prices
will come down. I don't know about you but this is exciting to me.

Hope you enjoy and please try don't flame this if it's not of interest to you.
How about letting the rest of us enjoy the continued improvement of these
"toys". Heck they are not "real helis" anyway so why waste your time posting
eh?

"Jtb0824" <jtb0824@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030210123851.04195.00000317@mb-fj.aol.com...
> Just read the thread about the "course" posters. I'm one of those who
once
> came here often but now only maybe once every few months and for the sole
> purpose of helping an e-heli pilot or two by directing them to forums
specific
> to their helis.
>
> Why? Last straw was I tried to discuss e-helis and was told by a certain
"B"
> member, lets see, something like go away and come back when you have a
real
> heli. I remember thinking how closed minded. After all I never said they
will
> replace nitro machines (they won't) so I didn't understand why he was so
> defensive. I did suggest e-helis will continue to develope and improve
> including battery and motor technologies and will continue to be around.
He
> told me e-heli was nothing but a novelty and a toy. Talk about being
"talked
> down at" and rude.
>
> Anyway, It's this closed mind thinking that has turned off so many folks
with
> this group (not to mention the foul language). The problem is that most
e-heli
> pilots won't come here so many of you may not know what is going on. If
you
> are interested check this out. If not interested, great but don't think
you
> have to post as such just so you can read your own wonderful words in
print as
> they rip someone apart. In otherwords, this is for the enjoyment of
those who
> want to see it and if you are not interested please do not post.
>
> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=91706
> http://www.augustoheli.com/videos/vi...bo/default.asp
> (first video on page, using Lithium)
>
> Granted these new batteries are expensive but as with all new technology
prices
> will come down. I don't know about you but this is exciting to me.
>
> Hope you enjoy and please try don't flame this if it's not of interest to
you.
> How about letting the rest of us enjoy the continued improvement of these
> "toys". Heck they are not "real helis" anyway so why waste your time
posting
> eh?

MHW March has a 3DNT which has been converted to electric. Electric motors
have massive torque at low rpm (the peak of their torque is at 0rpm).
They're quiet, and so the rotor sound is more prominent, giving a more
scale-heli like sound.

I think it's obvious that electrics are becoming more popular, and I have no
doubt the coverage of e-helis will (and is) grow in this group as well as
everywhere else.

I do think though you have to appreciate the fine art of nitro power. It's a
buzz for those that are enthusiastic about it. It's like cars nowadays -
there're no carburettors (sp?), and it's all ECU managed, so the fun has all
but gone out of tuning an engine yourself if you have a modern car. It's all
down to ECU remapping chips.

I guess for me that's the main difference here. Being able to get into the
intricacies and work with all the mechanics is what's so challenging,
interesting and rewarding. I have an IC powered Truck, and it's fun... all
the tuning you can do etc., as opposed to bolting on more advanced chips and
ESCs etc. Electrics are a bit plug'n'go which carries with it a little less
of the enthusiast type stuff, but it's all down to personal preference, and
is all open to debate (don't include me though! I'm just saying what I'm
thinking)

As for your hurt feelings, this could happen to you anywhere in life and you
should make it a part of your self development plan to be more assertive
(definitely), more open-minded (swearing is insulting even though not
directed at you?), and less judgemental. There will be many people out there
who can help you out in many ways throughout your life. They might just
happen to swear a lot though. Or be gay. Or not like electric helicopters.
Or hate the British. Or be racist. It doesn't matter if they don't hold the
same values as you, some of what they do hold may shape the rest of your
life. IMHO

Carl
(Everything is I.M.H.O unless stated otherwise)

Hi Carl,

My feelings didn't get hurt which is why I still come back from time to time.
I simply choose to hang out most of my time in groups/forums where the folks
are more open minded and nicer (not every here is this way I know I know). It
has nothing to do with feelings, it has to do with wasting my time reading the
same stuff over and over again. I have enough stress at work to pile more
while reading posts. I want to relax and enjoy the conversation when I'm doing
my hobby.

Also, like I said, eletrics won't replace nitro. I agree with all you say
except the implication that you can't tune the electrics. I dare say you have
more control to fine tune the electric and repeat a setup on electric than
nitro given the state of modern brushless controllers. This is a strength of
the electric.

With all this said, did you check out the video?

Been great talking with you. It's nice to present different views in a
non-aggressive manner. Like you this is just my opinion and anyone is free to
disagree, just don't call me a jerk and I won't you either (grin).

Thanks Carl and have a great one
John

I have to say that i did not see the treads you are talking about, but hey,
what the
hell! a heli is a heli, electric or not!
i got me a little Hoverfly along with lots of others on this NG and i can't
see the problem with discussing the electric side of things from time to
time!
As for the foul language, that is just a fact of life in this day and age,
and this NG has been like it for as long as i have been using it! in fact
sometimes the more colourful it is, the better the argument.
But i have not got a problem with it, but if it
offends.................dont read it!!!

Paul

"Jtb0824" <jtb0824@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030210123851.04195.00000317@mb-fj.aol.com...
> Just read the thread about the "course" posters. I'm one of those who
once
> came here often but now only maybe once every few months and for the sole
> purpose of helping an e-heli pilot or two by directing them to forums
specific
> to their helis.
>
> Why? Last straw was I tried to discuss e-helis and was told by a certain
"B"
> member, lets see, something like go away and come back when you have a
real
> heli. I remember thinking how closed minded. After all I never said they
will
> replace nitro machines (they won't) so I didn't understand why he was so
> defensive. I did suggest e-helis will continue to develope and improve
> including battery and motor technologies and will continue to be around.
He
> told me e-heli was nothing but a novelty and a toy. Talk about being
"talked
> down at" and rude.
>
> Anyway, It's this closed mind thinking that has turned off so many folks
with
> this group (not to mention the foul language). The problem is that most
e-heli
> pilots won't come here so many of you may not know what is going on. If
you
> are interested check this out. If not interested, great but don't think
you
> have to post as such just so you can read your own wonderful words in
print as
> they rip someone apart. In otherwords, this is for the enjoyment of
those who
> want to see it and if you are not interested please do not post.
>
> http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showt...threadid=91706
> http://www.augustoheli.com/videos/vi...bo/default.asp
> (first video on page, using Lithium)
>
> Granted these new batteries are expensive but as with all new technology
prices
> will come down. I don't know about you but this is exciting to me.
>
> Hope you enjoy and please try don't flame this if it's not of interest to
you.
> How about letting the rest of us enjoy the continued improvement of these
> "toys". Heck they are not "real helis" anyway so why waste your time
posting
> eh?

The point I'm making is how some folks here, like it or not, are narrow minded
and often wrong. The video link is posted to validate and enjoy. Understand
I'm not talking specifically but pointing out a larger problem for this group.


Food for thought. I'm off and probably won't be back for a month or so. See
you all then.

John

LMAO!

"Heli Genius" <I_know_all@notreal.com> wrote in message
news:t212a.3684$297.1193@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...
> Fucking well put Paul
>
>

What larger problem??? on here we tend to run with the hope that if you have
something to say, then say it!You may get flamed for your opinion, but its
is your opinion and if people don't like it then tough shit, they have a
right to there's as well and that's the way of the world.

There is an old saying that says "if you can't stand the heat get out of the
kitchen" and as your not going be here for a month, I hope I speak for all
the people that enjoy using this group, in all of its colourful ways when I
say.......................FUCK OFF YOU NARROW MINDED TWAT!

Paul

"Jbyrne39056" <jbyrne39056@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20030211015926.24595.00000214@mb-fw.news.cs.com...
> The point I'm making is how some folks here, like it or not, are narrow
minded
> and often wrong. The video link is posted to validate and enjoy.
Understand
> I'm not talking specifically but pointing out a larger problem for this
group.
>
>
> Food for thought. I'm off and probably won't be back for a month or so.
See
> you all then.
>
> John

Hmmmm - Harsh, but perhaps fair )

- Chris

"Muttsdanglers" <muttsdanglers@REMOVETHISbtinternet.com> wrote in message
news:b2b5fv$3m1$1@knossos.btinternet.com...
> What larger problem??? on here we tend to run with the hope that if you
have
> something to say, then say it!You may get flamed for your opinion, but its
> is your opinion and if people don't like it then tough shit, they have a
> right to there's as well and that's the way of the world.
>
> There is an old saying that says "if you can't stand the heat get out of
the
> kitchen" and as your not going be here for a month, I hope I speak for all
> the people that enjoy using this group, in all of its colourful ways when
I
> say.......................FUCK OFF YOU NARROW MINDED TWAT!
>
> Paul
>
> "Jbyrne39056" <jbyrne39056@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:20030211015926.24595.00000214@mb-fw.news.cs.com...
> > The point I'm making is how some folks here, like it or not, are narrow
> minded
> > and often wrong. The video link is posted to validate and enjoy.
> Understand
> > I'm not talking specifically but pointing out a larger problem for this
> group.
> >
> >
> > Food for thought. I'm off and probably won't be back for a month or so.
> See
> > you all then.
> >
> > John
>
>

Well, this has been interesting, planted a seed and what an "interesting"
specimen it grown into. At least this thread is not near as interesting and
ugly as some of the others going around right now.

Anyway, I came back one more time in hopes things had changed. They have not.
Same old "stuff" and same old cut down statements. So you are king of the cut
downs but what have you won? Nothing for our hobby for sure.

Have fun with your arguements and interesting language guys. I'm not into this
"hate" thing. So while your getting mad I'll be smiling at my chopper.
Speaking of hate why do you guys try to discuss helis when you seem to hate
each other so darn much in the first place? You know there are groups out
there made just for people who don't like each other so they can argue all day
long. Just a suggestiong.

Ok, with this all said why don't we all just relax a little and fly some. I'm
sure things will look better in the morning after a few great flights. Have a
good one all, including those who are cussing me out. I have nothing against
you and wish you the best. You have nothing against me since you don't know
me. You may not agree with this at first but I'm sure you will come around
when you think about it. Its all about the heli .....

Cheers
John

cya

"Jtb0824" <jtb0824@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030212181140.10015.00001420@mb-md.aol.com...
> Well, this has been interesting, planted a seed and what an "interesting"
> specimen it grown into. At least this thread is not near as interesting
and
> ugly as some of the others going around right now.
>
> Anyway, I came back one more time in hopes things had changed. They have
not.
> Same old "stuff" and same old cut down statements. So you are king of the
cut
> downs but what have you won? Nothing for our hobby for sure.
>
> Have fun with your arguements and interesting language guys. I'm not into
this
> "hate" thing. So while your getting mad I'll be smiling at my chopper.
> Speaking of hate why do you guys try to discuss helis when you seem to
hate
> each other so darn much in the first place? You know there are groups out
> there made just for people who don't like each other so they can argue all
day
> long. Just a suggestiong.
>
> Ok, with this all said why don't we all just relax a little and fly some.
I'm
> sure things will look better in the morning after a few great flights.
Have a
> good one all, including those who are cussing me out. I have nothing
against
> you and wish you the best. You have nothing against me since you don't
know
> me. You may not agree with this at first but I'm sure you will come
around
> when you think about it. Its all about the heli .....
>
> Cheers
> John
>