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Old Nov 12, 2014, 06:32 PM
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Hunter

Formerly something new.

The plane arrived today. It is a work of art.

I will be using Tahmazo DS 62 for tail surfaces and DS 70 for ailerons and FrSky TFR4-B for receiver. The battery will most likely be a shred 650 depending on balance needs. The tail surfaces will be pushrod on Alekseys advice.

The fuse has moulded exits for the aileron pushrods and a raised and indented wing mounting screw holes . They mate with the opposite in the wing.

I took the photo of the wing with the Arrow 5 and BRKO for comparison .

I hope to be flying this at the JEM.

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Old Nov 12, 2014, 07:01 PM
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Nice looking ship! 4 in the pod design?
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Old Nov 12, 2014, 07:18 PM
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Nice looking ship! 4 in the pod design?
Yes.
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Old Nov 13, 2014, 03:35 AM
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Nice !!!
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Srcrews for wing are 4mm thread
screws for tail is 3mm thread
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Old Nov 13, 2014, 08:01 AM
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new plane I like
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Old Nov 13, 2014, 07:32 PM
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188g kit weight seems a bit high, no? What's the expected AUW?

Maybe this is one of those planes that handles the extra weight well, I dunno.

Is that a ballast tube I see there?
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Old Nov 13, 2014, 08:56 PM
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plus 36g in servos and 25is in rx and battery, that puts it at about 250 grams. That seems wicked lite to me given the wing area? Plus that includes the ballast tube...
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Old Nov 13, 2014, 09:55 PM
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plus 36g in servos and 25is in rx and battery, that puts it at about 250 grams. That seems wicked lite to me given the wing area? Plus that includes the ballast tube...
Servos, Tahmazo DS68 and 70, are 26g batt and receiver 27, takes it to 241g.. Haven't cut the tail pushrods yet. My target is 250. I should have it done early next week.
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188g kit weight seems a bit high, no? What's the expected AUW?

Maybe this is one of those planes that handles the extra weight well, I dunno.

Is that a ballast tube I see there?
Yes.
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Old Nov 14, 2014, 10:09 AM
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188g kit weight seems a bit high, no? What's the expected AUW?

Maybe this is one of those planes that handles the extra weight well, I dunno.

Is that a ballast tube I see there?
not at all too heavy, you'll get better performance with the 250 rather 240. I promise you that ;-)
needs an "engine"
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Old Nov 14, 2014, 11:44 AM
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I keep reading where folks say DLG's fly better with weight. I have only had my Taboo GT at 9,6 OZ but the rest have been 10 oz or 12 repaired. I read in the polaris thread wherre a guy likes 320g or even 490G? THis seems to be related to where you live. I know George likes a 10 oz concept no less? But we do get to fly in Buttah, a term Jonboy has coined.. IT is somewhat rare here in Utah but when you encounter it you know the word Butter with a heavy emphasis on the TAH is a perfect description. There is no direction to the air mass what so ever and it seems thick. Sometimes it can have some thermal activity but it is light. We also have days with slightly more active air but more like small thermal bubbles. TO me it seems like a light ship can do well in these conditions?? I read about the large ballasts folk in Europe use. IT is hard for us here in Utah to understand that. I have flown most of my time with DLG's in the 11-12 oz range.. THey are actually very competitive in near FAI limit air.,.. I just cant imagine 100 g ballast on a 10 oz plane??

I look at a DLG as a tool and it seems to me like you would want a ship for Buttah, and one for normal air and one set up for near FAI limit air. of course maybe one ship can be ballasted up to each level? My main question is what is it about the different countries that make it seem like we prefer to fly ships of such different weight??

If you had a 14 oz DLG here in Utah you couldn't sell it for 50$
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Old Nov 14, 2014, 12:09 PM
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14oz DLG's fly like sh$t. Period. I've owned some. Same wing at 10oz, night and day different (as in phenomenal).

DLG weight really depends on wing area. You are making gross assumptions without looking at wing loading. Even that isn't giving you the whole picture. A 10oz Taboo might float along the lines of a 8.5oz Snipe, but I'd have to look at some real math to say for sure and we don't have the foils JW used in the Snipe for an accurate comparison. Thicker foils (think SALPeter) and larger wing areas tend to carry ballast better and float better when empty, but don't launch as high and the newest airfoils have really closed the gap on minimum sink rate with the older generation of foils while still allowing high launches and excellent ranging. Why do you think higher AR is in vogue now? it's all in the aerodynamic minutia.

Hunter looks awesome, best of luck with the build!!
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Sam, you obviously feel 14 oz ships don't fly as well. But what conditions do you fly in? Compared to the World? They have so manyv Euro comps cancelled this year.
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The conditions are rare but I remember a few times with my taboo (AG airfoil) and feeling that I needed more weight and I was at 12.5 oz. I also remember here stories of Phil Pearson ballasting his Encore up to 16 oz during a contest in AZ. I wouldnt say they flew horrible at these weights, in fact they carried the weight quite well and were able to move around in the very high winds which is amazing to watch.

The key is having the lift be strong enough to take advantage of the extra weight/sink rate. Otherwise you were down just as fast even though you were motoring around the sky. Sam is right though, the nice thing about the higher AR planes is that you can reach the same wingloadings and not loose your arm while throwing the plane. I would also say that in my experience, they also travel faster then the old big wings do at the same wing loading although I think at a lower max L/D.

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I know George likes a 10 oz concept no less?
Just because George can NOT build lighter then 10 oz Concept.

......I personally tired to read all BS about "heavy planes fly better"
Planes fly good when they LIGHT,period.
Yuri.
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....oh and lighter is better.
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