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Old May 11, 2014, 05:57 AM
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first 3d plane

hitec 300x or parkzone visionaire,or somthing else? looking for a plane to fly when its windy. more for sport then 3d, and a tail dragger. thanks
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Old May 11, 2014, 06:58 AM
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Without getting into specific plane suggestions -

For a decent 3D trainer, save yourself a LOT of frustration and buy something made from EPP foam, NOT EPO or any other material! Make this one call your first priority. EPP!

EPP, when you do manage to break/tear it, does so cleanly. It NEVER bursts into a hundred tiny pieces that are nearly impossible to glue back together, no matter how hard it hits. You might just as well be flying balsa at that point? The second big deal with it is that it handles regular CA just fine. No "foam safe" CA required. Just note that CA curing time isn't as fast as with some other materials, so a lot of guys carry/use accelerator all the time.

A good trainer is about durability and ease of repair, so flight cost and down time is minimal. I would stay with a profile design for those reasons, and for wind, stay with something in the 39"/1000mm + range. 1100 and 1200mm do fairly well up into the 10mph wind range. 32" will keep your hands full in anything more than just a light breeze. Not saying the smaller planes won't fly in the wind, only that instead of enjoying yourself or learning something, you'll spend more time in "survival" mode.
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Old May 11, 2014, 10:41 AM
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EPO is still very durable and typically tears clean. A 3D trainer you should expect to beat up, tear apart, pulverize, and basically destroy while learning 3D. If you're learning sport flying, then a super durable airplane is not as important.

I'd say the Hitec 300X would work well in this application.
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Old May 11, 2014, 02:40 PM
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I agree with AHICKS,,,
CRACK LASER--LOW and SLOW--in light winds (3 min 51 sec)
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Old May 12, 2014, 06:27 AM
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its just that evertime i can get to the field, the wind is 14+mph. and the cub just wants to glide with the wind. lhs said visionaire. noticed 300x is 50-60 buck cheaper. looks like almost the same plane. wm park flyers will be at a close field this coming weekend. should i look at there foamie or xl foamie? thanks again.
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Old May 12, 2014, 07:28 AM
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In my experience, 14 mph wind is enough to keep 99% of the pilots down, no matter what they are flying. Only a few guys will go out and play in stuff like that. Now if you are talking about something slower, with just occasional gusts to 14mph, that's a different story. At that point you've only eliminated about half of them! I enjoy flying in stuff like that, but I'm in the minority among most of the guys I fly with....

I'll predict either of the planes you're mentioning will turn out to be expensive lessons. Anyone flying 3D will tell you neither of these planes are commonly known as a good 3D trainer. That said, some of the difference in price between them is due to the supplied "stabilizer" electronics built into the Visionaire. For "sport" flying in the wind, something like that might be a big help.

Here are a couple examples, more along the lines of what I'm thinking of when somebody says "3D trainer" and "wind" in the same sentence.


Yak-
http://www.nitroplanes.com/02a-008-1...d-epp-kit.html

Swift-
http://www.nitroplanes.com/02a-004-swift-epp-kit.html

These are the "kit" versions, where you supply all of your own electronics. They're also available WITH electronics for a little more money - but still only about half of what you are considering spending above. Also, you should know there's an "add on" stabilizer, that works very similar to the one in the Visionaire, available for about 20 bucks.

Note that the planes in the links above are great 3D trainers that can handle some wind, but they can also be tamed down to the point where they make great sport planes or even basic flight trainers. They're only downfall is that they simply cannot be flown fast. No decent 3D plane can. The control surfaces are too big to allow that, will flutter if you try...

-Al
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There's not a lot of people that fly in 14+ winds- I happen to be one of them since the more wind there is, the better the slope is

It is in my best opinion that a larger airplane does handle wind better, and makes for a better airplane to learn 3D with. The size really helps them fly better. You don't have to get an EPP or EPO airplane if you don't want to- your first airplane is always going to look like a mess with some time anyways. Honestly, buy what you feel is going to work best for you, there is a huge slew of threads around here with a huge list of airplanes that fly very well and are great for learning how to hone your flying skills with.

And just remember, you're probably going to destroy an airplane or 2 before you will begin figuring out how to execute most popular 3D maneuvers with some form of proficiency. Stock up on the glues and tape. Glue, Crash, Fly, repeat
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Agreed- Fly, crash, glue, repeat does sum it all up best. In the end, it's about stick time! The more you get, the more you'll learn. Big gaps in that process cause you to spend time relearning stuff you already knew.

A good 3D trainer will let you repeat that cycle as quickly as possible, at minimal cost, and fly as often as possible.
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